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For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit, what types of data you pass to them, every single DNS lookup you make,

by rconti 9y ago

For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit, what types of data you pass to them, every single DNS lookup you make, etc. Sorry, but this is FAR more intrusive than Facebook, which you CLAIM has lots of data on you even if you don't use their service. It's harder to avoid Google than it is to avoid Facebook, but again, it's doable.

jacquesm 9y ago
> For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites. > what types of data you pass to them What do you mean with 'what types of data'? They can't access the headers of encrypted traffic. > every single DNS lookup you make Yes, that's true. And you can cache those locally. > etc. Sorry, but this is FAR more intrusive than Facebook, which you CLAIM has lots of data on you even if you don't use their service. Shadow profiles are a thing. > It's harder to avoid Google than it is to avoid Facebook, but again, it's doable. It's just about impossible. Every other email you send ends up in a gmail inbox. So even if you don't use their services at all your data still ends up with them. Even if you don't have a smartphone enough people around you will have them that your social graph will end up with Google anyway. And so on.
- hsivonen 9y ago
  > They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites. And SNI reveals which one of the Web sites you are accessing.
411mrc 9y ago
It's well known, not the poster's personal claim: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html FB goes so far as to buy your data from others, which is why I block all trackers. I'm sure I still leak data to FB, even though I never joined, and never will.
- rconti 9y ago
  Interesting! Thanks for the informative reply. This feels like the kind of thing I probably read about at some point but subsequently forgot.

by rconti 9y ago

jacquesm 9y ago

> For the vast majority of customers, Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon know what sites you visit They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites. > what types of data you pass to them What do you mean with 'what types of data'? They can't access the headers of encrypted traffic. > every single DNS lookup you make Yes, that's true. And you can cache those locally. > etc. Sorry, but this is FAR more intrusive than Facebook, which you CLAIM has lots of data on you even if you don't use their service. Shadow profiles are a thing. > It's harder to avoid Google than it is to avoid Facebook, but again, it's doable. It's just about impossible. Every other email you send ends up in a gmail inbox. So even if you don't use their services at all your data still ends up with them. Even if you don't have a smartphone enough people around you will have them that your social graph will end up with Google anyway. And so on.

hsivonen 9y ago
> They know which IP addresses you connect to. Many of those host large numbers of websites. And SNI reveals which one of the Web sites you are accessing.

411mrc 9y ago

It's well known, not the poster's personal claim: https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html FB goes so far as to buy your data from others, which is why I block all trackers. I'm sure I still leak data to FB, even though I never joined, and never will.

rconti 9y ago
Interesting! Thanks for the informative reply. This feels like the kind of thing I probably read about at some point but subsequently forgot.