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Ha, this just confirms what I thought to myself but decided not to comment on, reading some other recent Facebook-disaster post here. Mark has a different Face

Ha, this just confirms what I thought to myself but decided not to comment on, reading some other recent Facebook-disaster post here. Mark has a different Facebook. I bet he doesn't see ads, unless he wants to. And, come to think of it, when he or other blessed entities delete something, it's really gone. Come to think of it, I wonder whether their data gets scooped up by the various monitoring and collection tools that are doubtless built in to the product and its administrative interface. Are they really dogfooding their own product, at this point?

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tzakrajs 9y ago
> but decided not to comment on Ahh, you were so close too!
- pasbesoin 9y ago
  LOL. Touche. I'd better hit the delete link here before it disappears.
matuszeg 9y ago
I would assume he has an admin type of account on Facebook, but does that even matter tho. He and many other employees have direct access to their databases and code. They can do whatever they want and there do not seem to be any checks in place to prevent crime/abuse. If some engineer at Facebook wants to log into the account of someone they have a crush on, search for nudes or something else nefarious, I have yet to learn of any systems in place to prevent that from happening besides Facebook telling us to trust them. They used to have a master password to log into any account[1]. They say they replaced this with a special tool you need "permission" to use. Quote from the article "Finally, while the interviewee says the ‘master password’ has been deprecated, employees can still access your profile through a special tool, but they need to provide a reason for why they’re doing it. If they get audited down the line and fail to provide an explanation, they can be fired" That sounds like a system where you trust everyone and audit later to verify nothing bad happened. Imo these systems are put in place to hide abuse not reveal it because they are reactionary instead of preventative. That entire system of checking employees from abusing data, relies of everyone trusting the people in charge at Facebook to do the right thing, insert "dumb fucks" Zuckerberg quote here[2]. Imo it is a matter of time before we find out about wide scale massive data abuse from Facebook employees. Either an insider feeding out data to others or someone on the inside listening to hedge fund managers private conversations to insider trade off of. I am just generally tired of everyone trusting everyone all the time. We have to have rules and systems in place to eliminate the need for trust. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/11/rumpus-facebook-privacy/ https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/11/rumpus-facebook-privacy/ [2] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes
Zarath 9y ago
Does Zuck actually even use Facebook?
- loceng 9y ago
  If he does it could be why he seems so disconnected from reality? If the algorithm puts positive news in front of him, and people regularly commenting on everything in praise, with no real dissenting commentary, then ...
- pasbesoin 9y ago
  I don't know the current state, but a year or two ago, Facebook was making a lot of noise about 'Facebook for work'. I would guess they are doing something like that, internally. Or, somewhere, um, 'locked in a file cabinet in a lavatory with a sign on the door, Beware of the Leopard' (mentioned on HN yesterday by another commenter, who had the exact wording), is there a giant Google Apps contract for FB? ;-)

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tzakrajs 9y ago

> but decided not to comment on Ahh, you were so close too!

pasbesoin 9y ago
LOL. Touche. I'd better hit the delete link here before it disappears.

matuszeg 9y ago

I would assume he has an admin type of account on Facebook, but does that even matter tho. He and many other employees have direct access to their databases and code. They can do whatever they want and there do not seem to be any checks in place to prevent crime/abuse. If some engineer at Facebook wants to log into the account of someone they have a crush on, search for nudes or something else nefarious, I have yet to learn of any systems in place to prevent that from happening besides Facebook telling us to trust them. They used to have a master password to log into any account[1]. They say they replaced this with a special tool you need "permission" to use. Quote from the article "Finally, while the interviewee says the ‘master password’ has been deprecated, employees can still access your profile through a special tool, but they need to provide a reason for why they’re doing it. If they get audited down the line and fail to provide an explanation, they can be fired" That sounds like a system where you trust everyone and audit later to verify nothing bad happened. Imo these systems are put in place to hide abuse not reveal it because they are reactionary instead of preventative. That entire system of checking employees from abusing data, relies of everyone trusting the people in charge at Facebook to do the right thing, insert "dumb fucks" Zuckerberg quote here[2]. Imo it is a matter of time before we find out about wide scale massive data abuse from Facebook employees. Either an insider feeding out data to others or someone on the inside listening to hedge fund managers private conversations to insider trade off of. I am just generally tired of everyone trusting everyone all the time. We have to have rules and systems in place to eliminate the need for trust. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/11/rumpus-facebook-privacy/ https://techcrunch.com/2010/01/11/rumpus-facebook-privacy/ [2] https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg#Quotes

Zarath 9y ago

Does Zuck actually even use Facebook?

loceng 9y ago
If he does it could be why he seems so disconnected from reality? If the algorithm puts positive news in front of him, and people regularly commenting on everything in praise, with no real dissenting commentary, then ...
pasbesoin 9y ago
I don't know the current state, but a year or two ago, Facebook was making a lot of noise about 'Facebook for work'. I would guess they are doing something like that, internally. Or, somewhere, um, 'locked in a file cabinet in a lavatory with a sign on the door, Beware of the Leopard' (mentioned on HN yesterday by another commenter, who had the exact wording), is there a giant Google Apps contract for FB? ;-)