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No, let them dig their own grave. The more they monitor, the more users will abandon them. Once they've lost enough users to limit the network effect their decl

No, let them dig their own grave. The more they monitor, the more users will abandon them. Once they've lost enough users to limit the network effect their decline will be like that of Myspace. Facebook the company will probably survive due to their other assets - Instagram, Whatsapp and whatever they manage to buy in the mean time - but Facebook the product is destined for the graveyard where it should be buried in unconsecrated ground with a stake through its heart.

baud147258 9y ago
A graveyard is too good for them. A ditch along a country road will be better. Or burned in the middle of nowhere and the ashes dumped in the ocea.
- mudil 9y ago
  In other FB related news, Sheryl Sandberg said that if you want privacy, you'll have to pay to use FB. https://www.today.com/video/more-facebook-data-breaches-possible-sheryl-sandberg-says-on-today-1204254787587 https://www.today.com/video/more-facebook-data-breaches-poss...
  - gvurrdon 9y ago
    In theory I'd be happy to pay for a service such as Facebook's groups and events if it could be proven that it was preserving my privacy. Unfortunately, I doubt that Facebook can be trusted.
    - delecti 9y ago
      Doesn't meetup.com fit that description?
      - gvurrdon 9y ago
        I think so. But, the people who organise events I'd like to attend and discuss topics of interest to me use Facebook to do so, and cannot be persuaded to do otherwise.
    - kardos 9y ago
      Indeed.... if you pay anything to FB, you reveal a propensity to spend money online and self-select into a group of prime targets for adtech. FB is an ad company, they will not be able to resist brokering deals for access to that group. You can't beat FB through playing by their rules. Rather we need to change the game.
      - lithos 9y ago
        Also worth mentioning that for each "paying target" you remove from an ad economy, is a devaluing of that economy.
        kardos 9y ago
        Indeed -- FB will not have a hand in the solution. Cracking the micropayments egg might be the new game that unseats the adtech scourge. One can hope.
      - Yetanfou 9y ago
        When it comes to playing games with partners like these the only winning move is not to play. Since personally identifying data is valuable and companies like Facebook have made a business of cashing in on that value there is no way for you to be sure that they won't overstep any artificial bounds which have been set by law. If you don't want them to run amok with your data you need to make sure they don't get your data, first and foremost by not voluntarily handing it to them (i.e. don't use Facebook-the-product or any of Facebook-the-company's other products), second by making it harder for them to collect data through other means. The former is easy, the latter can be harder. Blocking Facebook assets at ingress points and in ad blockers only goes so far and is made more difficult by sites using material from *.fbcdn.net (e.g. react components, etc), not to mention those Facebook holdouts who insist on tagging photo's with your name etc.
- rohan1024 9y ago
  Me and my friends were just discussing regarding the time spent on facebook and my friend said like "I am pretty sure that I have scrolled KMs of neews feed" Now that I think about it I have also wasted a lot of time on it. It deserves to be burned.
  - saiya-jin 9y ago
    now I am resentful about FB dark patterns and practices like the next guy here, but let's be clear - unless we absolve ourselves from freedom of our choices, it is WE who go here, it s WE who scroll, click likes and shares, talk crap, whateva. All these browser extensions, hosts blacklists, even router settings, out of those capable here, maybe 0.01% did it. I didn't. All this stuff tells much more about ourselves than some petty (yet highly valuable) company. And most people don't like the message. This is as much about forcing the company to make better product for its users (even if it means its eventual demise, which over long enough timeline is inevitable) as a very valuable introspection. We can skip that part and just hate more, but it would be a wasted opportunity, don't you think?
  - sjilo 9y ago
    That gave me an idea.. As you can't know the user's physical screen size from the browser, would anyone here be interested in an extension that tracks how many pixels you've scrolled on Facebook?

baud147258 9y ago

A graveyard is too good for them. A ditch along a country road will be better. Or burned in the middle of nowhere and the ashes dumped in the ocea.

mudil 9y ago
In other FB related news, Sheryl Sandberg said that if you want privacy, you'll have to pay to use FB. https://www.today.com/video/more-facebook-data-breaches-possible-sheryl-sandberg-says-on-today-1204254787587 https://www.today.com/video/more-facebook-data-breaches-poss...
- gvurrdon 9y ago
  In theory I'd be happy to pay for a service such as Facebook's groups and events if it could be proven that it was preserving my privacy. Unfortunately, I doubt that Facebook can be trusted.
  - delecti 9y ago
    Doesn't meetup.com fit that description?
    - gvurrdon 9y ago
      I think so. But, the people who organise events I'd like to attend and discuss topics of interest to me use Facebook to do so, and cannot be persuaded to do otherwise.
  - kardos 9y ago
    Indeed.... if you pay anything to FB, you reveal a propensity to spend money online and self-select into a group of prime targets for adtech. FB is an ad company, they will not be able to resist brokering deals for access to that group. You can't beat FB through playing by their rules. Rather we need to change the game.
    - lithos 9y ago
      Also worth mentioning that for each "paying target" you remove from an ad economy, is a devaluing of that economy.
      - kardos 9y ago
        Indeed -- FB will not have a hand in the solution. Cracking the micropayments egg might be the new game that unseats the adtech scourge. One can hope.
    - Yetanfou 9y ago
      When it comes to playing games with partners like these the only winning move is not to play. Since personally identifying data is valuable and companies like Facebook have made a business of cashing in on that value there is no way for you to be sure that they won't overstep any artificial bounds which have been set by law. If you don't want them to run amok with your data you need to make sure they don't get your data, first and foremost by not voluntarily handing it to them (i.e. don't use Facebook-the-product or any of Facebook-the-company's other products), second by making it harder for them to collect data through other means. The former is easy, the latter can be harder. Blocking Facebook assets at ingress points and in ad blockers only goes so far and is made more difficult by sites using material from *.fbcdn.net (e.g. react components, etc), not to mention those Facebook holdouts who insist on tagging photo's with your name etc.
rohan1024 9y ago
Me and my friends were just discussing regarding the time spent on facebook and my friend said like "I am pretty sure that I have scrolled KMs of neews feed" Now that I think about it I have also wasted a lot of time on it. It deserves to be burned.
- saiya-jin 9y ago
  now I am resentful about FB dark patterns and practices like the next guy here, but let's be clear - unless we absolve ourselves from freedom of our choices, it is WE who go here, it s WE who scroll, click likes and shares, talk crap, whateva. All these browser extensions, hosts blacklists, even router settings, out of those capable here, maybe 0.01% did it. I didn't. All this stuff tells much more about ourselves than some petty (yet highly valuable) company. And most people don't like the message. This is as much about forcing the company to make better product for its users (even if it means its eventual demise, which over long enough timeline is inevitable) as a very valuable introspection. We can skip that part and just hate more, but it would be a wasted opportunity, don't you think?
- sjilo 9y ago
  That gave me an idea.. As you can't know the user's physical screen size from the browser, would anyone here be interested in an extension that tracks how many pixels you've scrolled on Facebook?