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So your basically paying (A lot) of cash to beta test their software for them... at your own (Very personal) risk!

by edf13 9y ago

bjl 9y ago
Not to mention the fact that, if they're software screws up and kills you, they'll rush to to Twitter in an attempt to smear you using personal data and deceptive statements.
jacquesm 9y ago
And endanger others who have decided to opt-out of the beta test. Keep in mind that in any accident all bets are off with respect to the traffic around you, even if you ram into a stationary barrier you could easily rebound into other traffic.
- deegles 9y ago
  Also, if something goes wrong it's your fault anyways because you're supposed to keep 100% of your attention on the road.
  - jacquesm 9y ago
    That's the best kind of small print. The kind that disclaims all liability no matter what. I really don't get why we accept this stuff. It's akin to driving without a license. After all, as long as a Tesla 'autopilot' can't take a driving test it has no business controlling cars.
lallysingh 9y ago
I don't know why people use this thing. The cars are nice, and justify their purchase on their own, without this autopilot feature. But I don't think you can do good autopilot without lidar. People shouldn't use it.
- edf13 9y ago
  I really don't think the cars are that nice... this is a side from the main issue here but the build quality is poor and the design is bland - both internally and externally (That massive big iPad like screen - yuck!).
  - raisedbyninjas 9y ago
    The big Youtuber that rebuilds salvage Teslas made the point that almost every Tesla owning Youtuber has a video showing their car getting hauled away on a tow-truck. One of the possible reasons that Tesla service dept. doesn't provide maintenance history on salvage cars is because the amount of service would reflect poorly. It doesn't seem uncommon for a model S with 80,000 miles to have several door handle replacements, at least one whole drive unit replacement, battery contactor replacement, an infotainment system replacement, in addition to all the recall/redesigned components that are replaced before failure. I still think Tesla's are quite nice, but a bullet-proof Honda they are not.
macawfish 9y ago
Not just your own risk... There are other people on the road who share that risk. It makes me angry at Elon Musk himself. First he didn't sterilize that stupid thing he sent into interplanetary space. Now he's putting peoples lives at risk.
- ams6110 9y ago
  Well there's plenty of unsterilized stuff in space. The early space missions just dumped the bodily waste of the astronauts overboard.
  - macawfish 9y ago
    Yeah, but it's coming back to Earth, where it came from. This is an object that could land on Mars or another planet. Great measures have been taken in the past to ensure that other planets aren't contaminated before we've had a chance to understand their existing biology. Elon Musk is the kid who comes and knocks over some other kids' block tower for his own amusement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
- Someone1234 9y ago
  > First he didn't sterilize that stupid thing Huh? Isn't it better that way, we might spread [simple] life to other planets. I'm completely serious, I don't understand what the concern is?
  - macawfish 9y ago
    There may already be life on other planets. Whether or not it's simple is a short-sighted human judgement. Look at the big picture. We risk denying these planets the ability to evolve in isolation. That is a decision that cannot be reversed. Do we really want to do that? Maybe so, but it ought to be a conversation. Great measures have been taken to reduce the risk of contaminating other planets with Earth based lifeforms. Then, this belligerent guy comes along and disregards all that.

So your basically paying (A lot) of cash to beta test their software for them... at your own (Very personal) risk!

by edf13 9y ago

So your basically paying (A lot) of cash to beta test their software for them... at your own (Very personal) risk!

bjl 9y ago

Not to mention the fact that, if they're software screws up and kills you, they'll rush to to Twitter in an attempt to smear you using personal data and deceptive statements.

jacquesm 9y ago

And endanger others who have decided to opt-out of the beta test. Keep in mind that in any accident all bets are off with respect to the traffic around you, even if you ram into a stationary barrier you could easily rebound into other traffic.

deegles 9y ago
Also, if something goes wrong it's your fault anyways because you're supposed to keep 100% of your attention on the road.
- jacquesm 9y ago
  That's the best kind of small print. The kind that disclaims all liability no matter what. I really don't get why we accept this stuff. It's akin to driving without a license. After all, as long as a Tesla 'autopilot' can't take a driving test it has no business controlling cars.

lallysingh 9y ago

I don't know why people use this thing. The cars are nice, and justify their purchase on their own, without this autopilot feature. But I don't think you can do good autopilot without lidar. People shouldn't use it.

edf13 9y ago
I really don't think the cars are that nice... this is a side from the main issue here but the build quality is poor and the design is bland - both internally and externally (That massive big iPad like screen - yuck!).
- raisedbyninjas 9y ago
  The big Youtuber that rebuilds salvage Teslas made the point that almost every Tesla owning Youtuber has a video showing their car getting hauled away on a tow-truck. One of the possible reasons that Tesla service dept. doesn't provide maintenance history on salvage cars is because the amount of service would reflect poorly. It doesn't seem uncommon for a model S with 80,000 miles to have several door handle replacements, at least one whole drive unit replacement, battery contactor replacement, an infotainment system replacement, in addition to all the recall/redesigned components that are replaced before failure. I still think Tesla's are quite nice, but a bullet-proof Honda they are not.

macawfish 9y ago

Not just your own risk... There are other people on the road who share that risk. It makes me angry at Elon Musk himself. First he didn't sterilize that stupid thing he sent into interplanetary space. Now he's putting peoples lives at risk.

ams6110 9y ago
Well there's plenty of unsterilized stuff in space. The early space missions just dumped the bodily waste of the astronauts overboard.
- macawfish 9y ago
  Yeah, but it's coming back to Earth, where it came from. This is an object that could land on Mars or another planet. Great measures have been taken in the past to ensure that other planets aren't contaminated before we've had a chance to understand their existing biology. Elon Musk is the kid who comes and knocks over some other kids' block tower for his own amusement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_protection
Someone1234 9y ago
> First he didn't sterilize that stupid thing Huh? Isn't it better that way, we might spread [simple] life to other planets. I'm completely serious, I don't understand what the concern is?
- macawfish 9y ago
  There may already be life on other planets. Whether or not it's simple is a short-sighted human judgement. Look at the big picture. We risk denying these planets the ability to evolve in isolation. That is a decision that cannot be reversed. Do we really want to do that? Maybe so, but it ought to be a conversation. Great measures have been taken to reduce the risk of contaminating other planets with Earth based lifeforms. Then, this belligerent guy comes along and disregards all that.