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> It looks like a good two centuries to come. ... if it wasn't for - potential ecosystem collapses due to disappearing bee (pollination), insect (food) and co

> It looks like a good two centuries to come. ... if it wasn't for - potential ecosystem collapses due to disappearing bee (pollination), insect (food) and coral populations - rising global instability due to climate refugees - the upcoming end of the antibiotics era - ...

Donzo 9y ago
> "Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does." There are now 80% more people (according to these figures) who now have enough food that they can worry about bees. That's a good thing if you ask me. Now about those bees...
- tgroutars 9y ago
  I think you meant 800%. And that's not accounting for the growth in population
  - Donzo 9y ago
    Ha ha. Yeah. What a glaring error, yet you have arrived at an even more convincing figure!
btcindivist 9y ago
If only we didn't waste all of the antibiotics on non-human animals. Such a bad use of brilliant biotechnology.
- Cthulhu_ 9y ago
  Or freely prescribe them for small ailments (looking at China here)
  - btcindivist 9y ago
    Antibiotics for human use are nothing. There's around 70 billion domesticated land animals being born and dying every year. That's 700 billion Petri dishes with varying antibiotic power in just 10 years, and that number is more than all of the humans that ever lived on Earth. More than enough for some massively superior bacteria to evolve.
- lawlessone 9y ago
  >If only we didn't waste all of the antibiotics on non-human animals. This is the one thing that makes me want to turn vegetarian. we waste antibiotics on cattle. regardless those same cattle become reservoirs where new diseases that could kill us are incubated, because they are mammals like is. It would be very difficult for a plant disease to jump to us.
  - 52-6F-62 9y ago
    In the pedantic tradition around here: To be fair, I remember an E Coli outbreak in spinach that laid a lot of people out. (I probably eat as much spinach as I do any meat :| and here I like to say I’m not much of a gambler) —— Not to take away from your collective points at all. Rehashing the entire situation makes us look like a foolish species to have burned through such an advantageous technology so quickly. One can only hope we might come to yet more elegant solutions.
    - btcindivist 9y ago
      Well, spinach E Coli is there because we use cattle poop all over it. Nothing better than fertilising our vegetables with manure rich in antibiotics resistant E Coli.
      - 52-6F-62 9y ago
        I actually think it came from tainted water. Which is also potentially where Botulism can hit vegetables, too.(Or the bloody air) Of course it’s all part of the same cycle
    - darepublic 9y ago
      I can only imagine the aliens are judging us harshly

Donzo 9y ago

> "Roughly around the end of the Napoleonic era, call it 1815, 9/10ths of humans lives in what we would call abject poverty. today it is reversed and only 1/10th does." There are now 80% more people (according to these figures) who now have enough food that they can worry about bees. That's a good thing if you ask me. Now about those bees...

tgroutars 9y ago
I think you meant 800%. And that's not accounting for the growth in population
- Donzo 9y ago
  Ha ha. Yeah. What a glaring error, yet you have arrived at an even more convincing figure!

btcindivist 9y ago

If only we didn't waste all of the antibiotics on non-human animals. Such a bad use of brilliant biotechnology.

Cthulhu_ 9y ago
Or freely prescribe them for small ailments (looking at China here)
- btcindivist 9y ago
  Antibiotics for human use are nothing. There's around 70 billion domesticated land animals being born and dying every year. That's 700 billion Petri dishes with varying antibiotic power in just 10 years, and that number is more than all of the humans that ever lived on Earth. More than enough for some massively superior bacteria to evolve.
lawlessone 9y ago
>If only we didn't waste all of the antibiotics on non-human animals. This is the one thing that makes me want to turn vegetarian. we waste antibiotics on cattle. regardless those same cattle become reservoirs where new diseases that could kill us are incubated, because they are mammals like is. It would be very difficult for a plant disease to jump to us.
- 52-6F-62 9y ago
  In the pedantic tradition around here: To be fair, I remember an E Coli outbreak in spinach that laid a lot of people out. (I probably eat as much spinach as I do any meat :| and here I like to say I’m not much of a gambler) —— Not to take away from your collective points at all. Rehashing the entire situation makes us look like a foolish species to have burned through such an advantageous technology so quickly. One can only hope we might come to yet more elegant solutions.
  - btcindivist 9y ago
    Well, spinach E Coli is there because we use cattle poop all over it. Nothing better than fertilising our vegetables with manure rich in antibiotics resistant E Coli.
    - 52-6F-62 9y ago
      I actually think it came from tainted water. Which is also potentially where Botulism can hit vegetables, too.(Or the bloody air) Of course it’s all part of the same cycle
  - darepublic 9y ago
    I can only imagine the aliens are judging us harshly