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Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a wa

Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a way to React from his current way of thinking (e.g. Rails). I don't have much experience with these technologies, so I don't have anything useful to contribute that might bridge the divide he's experiencing.

mercer 9y ago
Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.
- meesterdude 9y ago
  I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
- fapjacks 9y ago
  Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
  - mercer 9y ago
    My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
    - fapjacks 9y ago
      But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
      - mercer 9y ago
        Okay, fair enough :). Anyways, I have always had immense difficulty accepting someone sharing an opinion without them explaining why, and it's often led me down paths that in hindsight didn't seem very productive or for that matter justified. So I think I agree with what you've been saying so far and I'll take this whole thing as a personal lesson to learn to deal with that 'quirk' of mine. Because it probably does upset my calm more than I'm aware of and than it's worth. Thanks for the reminder.
        fapjacks 9y ago
        I still struggle mightily with it myself. If you're interested in pursuing it formally, a lot of what the old stoics said ended up in writing. Some of the most valuable ideas ever codified and they're freely available online or, if you prefer hardcopy, available literally for the price of shipping from various Amazon sellers. Good luck.
        mercer 9y ago
        That's great advice. I was really into the stoics a few years ago, but should explore them again. I have found, though, that zen/mindfulness has been more effective for me to actually put all this stuff into practice. I think the combination might be worth a try.

mercer 9y ago

Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.

meesterdude 9y ago
I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
fapjacks 9y ago
Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
- mercer 9y ago
  My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
  - fapjacks 9y ago
    But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
    - mercer 9y ago
      Okay, fair enough :). Anyways, I have always had immense difficulty accepting someone sharing an opinion without them explaining why, and it's often led me down paths that in hindsight didn't seem very productive or for that matter justified. So I think I agree with what you've been saying so far and I'll take this whole thing as a personal lesson to learn to deal with that 'quirk' of mine. Because it probably does upset my calm more than I'm aware of and than it's worth. Thanks for the reminder.
      - fapjacks 9y ago
        I still struggle mightily with it myself. If you're interested in pursuing it formally, a lot of what the old stoics said ended up in writing. Some of the most valuable ideas ever codified and they're freely available online or, if you prefer hardcopy, available literally for the price of shipping from various Amazon sellers. Good luck.
        mercer 9y ago
        That's great advice. I was really into the stoics a few years ago, but should explore them again. I have found, though, that zen/mindfulness has been more effective for me to actually put all this stuff into practice. I think the combination might be worth a try.