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Nothing sneaky; Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. So... i tried to give a summary of it. I feel one way, others feel a different way..

Nothing sneaky; Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. So... i tried to give a summary of it. I feel one way, others feel a different way... who's right? who's wrong? all a matter of what matters to you. For what matters to me, react is totally wrong. I am still trying to "see the light" but I have yet to.

mercer 9y ago
But then what's the point of taking the effort of writing it down and sending it out into the world? Honest question.
- fapjacks 9y ago
  To solicit insight that might help them better understand the perspective? That's why I would make a similar post, anyway.
  - kaoD 9y ago
    How can anyone give any insight about their opinion if they don't state it? It just looks like cargo culting and/or flame baiting.
    - fapjacks 9y ago
      Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a way to React from his current way of thinking (e.g. Rails). I don't have much experience with these technologies, so I don't have anything useful to contribute that might bridge the divide he's experiencing.
      - mercer 9y ago
        Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.
        meesterdude 9y ago
        I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
        fapjacks 9y ago
        Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
        mercer 9y ago
        My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
        fapjacks 9y ago
        But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
        mercer 9y ago
        Okay, fair enough :). Anyways, I have always had immense difficulty accepting someone sharing an opinion without them explaining why, and it's often led me down paths that in hindsight didn't seem very productive or for that matter justified. So I think I agree with what you've been saying so far and I'll take this whole thing as a personal lesson to learn to deal with that 'quirk' of mine. Because it probably does upset my calm more than I'm aware of and than it's worth. Thanks for the reminder.
eropple 9y ago
> Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. I do. Because I just might learn something! But I'll be frank: after your posts in this thread, and the thread linked here, I don't think that wall of text exists, I have some significant skepticism with regards to your ability to generate a meaningful one, and I think you are appealing to it as a rhetorical trick.
- meesterdude 9y ago
  Frank, looks like you got me. I'm really just a react dev trying to troll other react devs. Because really, who could have anything against react? How could anyone think its anything but awesome?
  - eropple 9y ago
    OK. Where's that wall of text? Generally one actually substantiates an argument when arguing in good faith instead of just bullshitting. So what's that actual reason that it is, and again I quote you, "shit"?

mercer 9y ago

But then what's the point of taking the effort of writing it down and sending it out into the world? Honest question.

fapjacks 9y ago
To solicit insight that might help them better understand the perspective? That's why I would make a similar post, anyway.
- kaoD 9y ago
  How can anyone give any insight about their opinion if they don't state it? It just looks like cargo culting and/or flame baiting.
  - fapjacks 9y ago
    Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a way to React from his current way of thinking (e.g. Rails). I don't have much experience with these technologies, so I don't have anything useful to contribute that might bridge the divide he's experiencing.
    - mercer 9y ago
      Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.
      - meesterdude 9y ago
        I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
      - fapjacks 9y ago
        Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
        mercer 9y ago
        My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
        fapjacks 9y ago
        But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
        mercer 9y ago
        Okay, fair enough :). Anyways, I have always had immense difficulty accepting someone sharing an opinion without them explaining why, and it's often led me down paths that in hindsight didn't seem very productive or for that matter justified. So I think I agree with what you've been saying so far and I'll take this whole thing as a personal lesson to learn to deal with that 'quirk' of mine. Because it probably does upset my calm more than I'm aware of and than it's worth. Thanks for the reminder.

eropple 9y ago

> Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. I do. Because I just might learn something! But I'll be frank: after your posts in this thread, and the thread linked here, I don't think that wall of text exists, I have some significant skepticism with regards to your ability to generate a meaningful one, and I think you are appealing to it as a rhetorical trick.

meesterdude 9y ago
Frank, looks like you got me. I'm really just a react dev trying to troll other react devs. Because really, who could have anything against react? How could anyone think its anything but awesome?
- eropple 9y ago
  OK. Where's that wall of text? Generally one actually substantiates an argument when arguing in good faith instead of just bullshitting. So what's that actual reason that it is, and again I quote you, "shit"?