The way I always heard it put (by thoughtful libertarians anyway) was that ubi reduces the need for welfare, not that it requires the abolition of it. Agree wit

The way I always heard it put (by thoughtful libertarians anyway) was that ubi reduces the need for welfare, not that it requires the abolition of it. Agree with what you say otherwise, but I think actually the issue is that radical / neoliberal conservatives are trying to rebrand as the more palatable 'libertarian'. There will always be a need for welfare, ubi changes poverty from a supply side issue to a demand side issue.