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Lets say, it's not in alignment with the particular set of values I hold as a developer.

mercer 9y ago
Could you elaborate? Or if not, I'm extremely curious why you seem to be dodging a question like this... EDIT: maybe it's 'just picking a fight' for the sake of it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16430826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16430826
- meesterdude 9y ago
  Nothing sneaky; Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. So... i tried to give a summary of it. I feel one way, others feel a different way... who's right? who's wrong? all a matter of what matters to you. For what matters to me, react is totally wrong. I am still trying to "see the light" but I have yet to.
  - mercer 9y ago
    But then what's the point of taking the effort of writing it down and sending it out into the world? Honest question.
    - fapjacks 9y ago
      To solicit insight that might help them better understand the perspective? That's why I would make a similar post, anyway.
      - kaoD 9y ago
        How can anyone give any insight about their opinion if they don't state it? It just looks like cargo culting and/or flame baiting.
        fapjacks 9y ago
        Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a way to React from his current way of thinking (e.g. Rails). I don't have much experience with these technologies, so I don't have anything useful to contribute that might bridge the divide he's experiencing.
        mercer 9y ago
        Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.
        meesterdude 9y ago
        I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
        fapjacks 9y ago
        Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
        mercer 9y ago
        My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
        fapjacks 9y ago
        But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
  - eropple 9y ago
    > Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. I do. Because I just might learn something! But I'll be frank: after your posts in this thread, and the thread linked here, I don't think that wall of text exists, I have some significant skepticism with regards to your ability to generate a meaningful one, and I think you are appealing to it as a rhetorical trick.
    - meesterdude 9y ago
      Frank, looks like you got me. I'm really just a react dev trying to troll other react devs. Because really, who could have anything against react? How could anyone think its anything but awesome?
      - eropple 9y ago
        OK. Where's that wall of text? Generally one actually substantiates an argument when arguing in good faith instead of just bullshitting. So what's that actual reason that it is, and again I quote you, "shit"?
jbergens 9y ago
I think react is very flexible. I wonder if people sometimes mixes react with react "best practices" and get confused? React is close to functional and works very well with those ideas. It also allows you to create components from classes with internal state and use that idea. You can have all state internally or connect some external state library if you prefer that, etc. Jsx is something some people seems to find strange but you don't have to use that either. Almost all react projects do but you don't have to. It used to work with ES5 and ES6 (ES2015) but now the latter is used so much in the industry that it's the only thing they support. You still don't have to put components in separate modules if you don't want to. So, for anyone reading this and still being confused by react, please step back and think about what you need to know and understand right now which may be much less than everything there is to know about react and if you find some part that you don't like you may be able to avoid it.
- Marazan 9y ago
  That's an interesting point that I think might hew close to the truth. I'm amazed at the amount of complexity that people seem try and heap on top of React. It's like they have seen the core simplicity and are desperate to complexity it to make it feel like they are dealing with something weighty and significant. Simple things can be brilliant, React is a simple thing. A simple idea with a simple to use implementation. It's clever. It's good. There is no need to make it complex.

Could you elaborate? Or if not, I'm extremely curious why you seem to be dodging a question like this... EDIT: maybe it's 'just picking a fight' for the sake of it? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16430826 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16430826

meesterdude 9y ago
Nothing sneaky; Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. So... i tried to give a summary of it. I feel one way, others feel a different way... who's right? who's wrong? all a matter of what matters to you. For what matters to me, react is totally wrong. I am still trying to "see the light" but I have yet to.
- mercer 9y ago
  But then what's the point of taking the effort of writing it down and sending it out into the world? Honest question.
  - fapjacks 9y ago
    To solicit insight that might help them better understand the perspective? That's why I would make a similar post, anyway.
    - kaoD 9y ago
      How can anyone give any insight about their opinion if they don't state it? It just looks like cargo culting and/or flame baiting.
      - fapjacks 9y ago
        Hmm. I guess I didn't read it with the same sort of antagonism that others might. It just sounds like he's saying he doesn't get it and that he doesn't see a way to React from his current way of thinking (e.g. Rails). I don't have much experience with these technologies, so I don't have anything useful to contribute that might bridge the divide he's experiencing.
        mercer 9y ago
        Saying "I look at react, and I see... shit." is a bit antagonistic, no? And then not bothering to explain especially so.
        meesterdude 9y ago
        I hold a particular perspective and have expressed it - that's all there is to it.
        fapjacks 9y ago
        Reject your sense of injury, and the injury itself disappears.
        mercer 9y ago
        My sense of injury (or lack thereof) doesn't really have anything to do with my opinion of meesterdude's pointlessly contrarian and somewhat bizarre behavior. (FWIW, I find React, or the entire 'front-end' ecosystem to still be too complicated and unstable, and usually not worth the benefits SPA's offer. So after about a decade of front-end work I've become quite conservative and have focused my efforts on becoming better at back-end stuff.)
        fapjacks 9y ago
        But see, I don't care about your opinion. You asked me to clarify whether or not I find meesterdude's post antagonistic. I don't read posts on the internet in my head with an antagonistic voice. Meesterdude states repeatedly that it's his opinion and also that he recognizes others don't share it. I don't find it antagonistic, because I don't find it antagonistic.
- eropple 9y ago
  > Nobody wants to read the giant wall of text I have to say. I do. Because I just might learn something! But I'll be frank: after your posts in this thread, and the thread linked here, I don't think that wall of text exists, I have some significant skepticism with regards to your ability to generate a meaningful one, and I think you are appealing to it as a rhetorical trick.
  - meesterdude 9y ago
    Frank, looks like you got me. I'm really just a react dev trying to troll other react devs. Because really, who could have anything against react? How could anyone think its anything but awesome?
    - eropple 9y ago
      OK. Where's that wall of text? Generally one actually substantiates an argument when arguing in good faith instead of just bullshitting. So what's that actual reason that it is, and again I quote you, "shit"?

jbergens 9y ago

I think react is very flexible. I wonder if people sometimes mixes react with react "best practices" and get confused? React is close to functional and works very well with those ideas. It also allows you to create components from classes with internal state and use that idea. You can have all state internally or connect some external state library if you prefer that, etc. Jsx is something some people seems to find strange but you don't have to use that either. Almost all react projects do but you don't have to. It used to work with ES5 and ES6 (ES2015) but now the latter is used so much in the industry that it's the only thing they support. You still don't have to put components in separate modules if you don't want to. So, for anyone reading this and still being confused by react, please step back and think about what you need to know and understand right now which may be much less than everything there is to know about react and if you find some part that you don't like you may be able to avoid it.

Marazan 9y ago
That's an interesting point that I think might hew close to the truth. I'm amazed at the amount of complexity that people seem try and heap on top of React. It's like they have seen the core simplicity and are desperate to complexity it to make it feel like they are dealing with something weighty and significant. Simple things can be brilliant, React is a simple thing. A simple idea with a simple to use implementation. It's clever. It's good. There is no need to make it complex.