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I agree that FB has shown time and time again that they consider user privacy a mere road bump. Pervasive dark patterns. I disagree that specific regulatory ove

I agree that FB has shown time and time again that they consider user privacy a mere road bump. Pervasive dark patterns. I disagree that specific regulatory oversight is needed. Advertising supported websites will always remain loyal to their customers: advertisers. Users are not willing to pay money and requiring a cover charge hurts adoption. What used to be called spyware is now "analytics." People proudly proclaim targeted advertising as a benefit for users. If we want privacy to be respected we need a right to privacy law. It's hard to be a sustainable business if everyone else is racing to the bottom. I'm waiting on FB's marketshare to tank.

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JKCalhoun 9y ago
> I disagree that specific regulatory oversight is needed. - and - > If we want privacy to be respected we need a right to privacy law. You're almost disagreeing with yourself unless you see a significant difference between regulatory oversight and privacy laws. Both reflect government authority over Facebook (etc.) to protect its citizens. Myself, I would be happy with either option. We have neither now.
- mcny 9y ago
  I don't always want privacy though. Is privacy at odds with accountability? We were talking about how disclosing salary and compensation information for everyone would help everyone in the long run and some people objected saying they want privacy. We have a lot of information that some people know but most do not. We have to think carefully what is private and what isn't. For example, your employer knows how much they pay you. I say it isn't private.
  - vageli 9y ago
    There are varying degrees of privacy. Just because you share some information with some people doesn't mean you want to share all information with everyone. That said, I agree that opaque salaries hurt only the employee as the other side of the market (employer) has full knowledge.
  - Slansitartop 9y ago
    > We were talking about how disclosing salary and compensation information for everyone would help everyone in the long run and some people objected saying they want privacy. > For example, your employer knows how much they pay you. I say it isn't private. It's also likely that your employer has shared your salary with other employers, so when you interview for a new job they know how much you're currently making without having to ask. For an example, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number http://acceptance.theworknumber.com/Employees/DataReport/ http://acceptance.theworknumber.com/Employees/DataReport/ I requested my report recently, and it had the last 5 years of my salary history, updated monthly. Salary data isn't private, because everyone who can use it against you already has access.
- supertrope 9y ago
  To be clearer I was contrasting regulations on just Facebook or just social media companies and an informed consent opt-in privacy law covering all personal information. Sector specific privacy laws already prohibit your phone company and bank from using your logs for targeted advertising or directly selling it to the highest bidder. When there is a criminal or civil liability to hoarding personal information that can be abused internally or leaked, companies will think twice before setting up such databases. Of course there will still be the Ubers and Equifaxes of the world but it will shift the burden to the data brokers who will no longer be able to fall back to noting that compiling scarily detailed dossiers is legal.

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JKCalhoun 9y ago

> I disagree that specific regulatory oversight is needed. - and - > If we want privacy to be respected we need a right to privacy law. You're almost disagreeing with yourself unless you see a significant difference between regulatory oversight and privacy laws. Both reflect government authority over Facebook (etc.) to protect its citizens. Myself, I would be happy with either option. We have neither now.

mcny 9y ago
I don't always want privacy though. Is privacy at odds with accountability? We were talking about how disclosing salary and compensation information for everyone would help everyone in the long run and some people objected saying they want privacy. We have a lot of information that some people know but most do not. We have to think carefully what is private and what isn't. For example, your employer knows how much they pay you. I say it isn't private.
- vageli 9y ago
  There are varying degrees of privacy. Just because you share some information with some people doesn't mean you want to share all information with everyone. That said, I agree that opaque salaries hurt only the employee as the other side of the market (employer) has full knowledge.
- Slansitartop 9y ago
  > We were talking about how disclosing salary and compensation information for everyone would help everyone in the long run and some people objected saying they want privacy. > For example, your employer knows how much they pay you. I say it isn't private. It's also likely that your employer has shared your salary with other employers, so when you interview for a new job they know how much you're currently making without having to ask. For an example, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Work_Number http://acceptance.theworknumber.com/Employees/DataReport/ http://acceptance.theworknumber.com/Employees/DataReport/ I requested my report recently, and it had the last 5 years of my salary history, updated monthly. Salary data isn't private, because everyone who can use it against you already has access.
supertrope 9y ago
To be clearer I was contrasting regulations on just Facebook or just social media companies and an informed consent opt-in privacy law covering all personal information. Sector specific privacy laws already prohibit your phone company and bank from using your logs for targeted advertising or directly selling it to the highest bidder. When there is a criminal or civil liability to hoarding personal information that can be abused internally or leaked, companies will think twice before setting up such databases. Of course there will still be the Ubers and Equifaxes of the world but it will shift the burden to the data brokers who will no longer be able to fall back to noting that compiling scarily detailed dossiers is legal.