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Thing is a nothingburger. Do people really believe messages can’t be deleted no matter what?

gaius 9y ago
It’s difficult to retract a message SMTP’d to my server then POP3 download to my desktop computer Sometimes the old protocols are the best
- supertrope 9y ago
  Delete buttons cut both ways. You can yank content but so can others. Of course you don't have assurance it's been truly deleted and someone could save a copy. Even before I quit it was hard to tell if the submitter wanted it gone or if it was a technical glitch, censorship, or displaced by ads. If you want to be cynical it's kind of like the memory hole in 1984. More charitably, it's not that different from broken links (except that broken links leave a trace).
- jerkstate 9y ago
  "the cloud is just someone else's computer"
jamra 9y ago
The article specifies that messages older than 2014 were deleted. I read once (can't find the resource now) that Microsoft deletes all chat and email messages older than a certain date. I think the reason is legal. If ever subpoenaed, providing too much chat info could be potentially damaging. I feel like the insinuation is that something specifically nefarious is going on. They can delete private messages in their own chat program for their executives as much as they want to. I also don't understand why this is considered bad behavior or why people somehow think something nefarious had to occur for them to want to do so. It may just be standard practice at many giant corporations.
- jonathankoren 9y ago
  1) Users are explicitly not allowed to do this. You can delete things in your inbox, you can’t delete things in other people’s inboxes. 2) It convienely starts happenening right when FB finds themselves in a shitshow, and with a CEO that famously said, “They trust me — dumb fucks”. There is no evidence that this is anything except something very very new. 3) Document retention policies only work for your company. Not someone else’s. I have no right to go into your documents and shred things I no longer want you to have.
  - jamra 9y ago
    Those are not bad points, but is there any evidence that this happened recently? I didn’t find that part in the article.
    - jonathankoren 9y ago
      I certainly took the article to be implying that this was new behavior, but now seems to have been something they secretly started back in 2014 or so. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-messages-deleted-messenger-inbox https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuc...

It’s difficult to retract a message SMTP’d to my server then POP3 download to my desktop computer Sometimes the old protocols are the best

supertrope 9y ago
Delete buttons cut both ways. You can yank content but so can others. Of course you don't have assurance it's been truly deleted and someone could save a copy. Even before I quit it was hard to tell if the submitter wanted it gone or if it was a technical glitch, censorship, or displaced by ads. If you want to be cynical it's kind of like the memory hole in 1984. More charitably, it's not that different from broken links (except that broken links leave a trace).
jerkstate 9y ago
"the cloud is just someone else's computer"

jamra 9y ago

The article specifies that messages older than 2014 were deleted. I read once (can't find the resource now) that Microsoft deletes all chat and email messages older than a certain date. I think the reason is legal. If ever subpoenaed, providing too much chat info could be potentially damaging. I feel like the insinuation is that something specifically nefarious is going on. They can delete private messages in their own chat program for their executives as much as they want to. I also don't understand why this is considered bad behavior or why people somehow think something nefarious had to occur for them to want to do so. It may just be standard practice at many giant corporations.

jonathankoren 9y ago
1) Users are explicitly not allowed to do this. You can delete things in your inbox, you can’t delete things in other people’s inboxes. 2) It convienely starts happenening right when FB finds themselves in a shitshow, and with a CEO that famously said, “They trust me — dumb fucks”. There is no evidence that this is anything except something very very new. 3) Document retention policies only work for your company. Not someone else’s. I have no right to go into your documents and shred things I no longer want you to have.
- jamra 9y ago
  Those are not bad points, but is there any evidence that this happened recently? I didn’t find that part in the article.
  - jonathankoren 9y ago
    I certainly took the article to be implying that this was new behavior, but now seems to have been something they secretly started back in 2014 or so. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuckerberg-messages-deleted-messenger-inbox https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/6/17203114/facebook-mark-zuc...