Yes, I know, that was my point. > ...So (b) is slightly less trivial I'd argue not. In both cases, a fully capable and prepared person has to jump through a c

Yes, I know, that was my point. > ...So (b) is slightly less trivial I'd argue not. In both cases, a fully capable and prepared person has to jump through a couple of relatively trivial hoops. And when those hoops aren't possible to jump through it's a weird case. We can split that hair, but it's silly.