> Well, to be blunt, if Bernie vs. Clinton is your framework then you a) probably think that my far left politics are unrealistic to the point of insanity and

> Well, to be blunt, if Bernie vs. Clinton is your framework then you a) probably think that my far left politics are unrealistic to the point of insanity and b) have political goals that are well within the liberal mainstream of US politics. That's just a guess, and I'll own that I could be wrong. Oh dear, you seem to have misunderstood. I criticize his methods because he's both incompetent AND smug about it. Maybe your system would "work" better for me (and exist for you) if you ever did anything other than virtuous smirking at everyone around you, then imagining a more "verdant" world. I, for one, don't have religious opinions about politics. I don't even believe that undeniable human rights exist. It's what we all agree upon and what we can build, and the things I'd like to have for me, my community, and my family. But sure, scarecrowbob, if only we understood how leftist your inner monologue really is. I'm sure we'd all be shocked and awed.