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Anyone else getting flashbacks to that "Infinite Detail" Vaporware/Propagandaware with this? "Exciting New Graphics Technology!", light on technical details a

Anyone else getting flashbacks to that "Infinite Detail" Vaporware/Propagandaware with this? "Exciting New Graphics Technology!", light on technical details and heavy on marketing speak.

p1necone 9y ago
We need a nice succinct term for projects that are purely marketing and exist only to scam money out of venture capitalists.
- fwip 9y ago
  I think vaporware does the job.
  - lainga 9y ago
    But this is specifically shined up for VCs - ventureware!
    - fenwick67 9y ago
      Ooh I love this and will start using it immediately
  - gnode 9y ago
    "Vaporware" doesn't distinguish these from well-intentioned efforts which stagnate in development hell.
- skocznymroczny 9y ago
  It needs to be catchy like bullshot - the term for fake screenshots of games before they are released, which look much better than the real game
vernie 9y ago
Yea, I thought that Euclideon had changed their name.
mlvljr 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irf-HJ4fBls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irf-HJ4fBls looks good, in fact, as does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BehxAWT8Gs8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BehxAWT8Gs8. A fast point search algorythm, apparently.
CobrastanJorji 9y ago
Definitely. There could absolutely be good tech here, but getting through the vaporware-like marketing speak is too hard. It hit so many buzzwords and tropes that by the time they got to "like Minecraft but better" I was just laughing.
ClassyJacket 9y ago
"Unlimited detail" I think it was called. And yes, I even thought this might be them for a second.
taneq 9y ago
Yeah, that was my first thought too. Maybe it's just because they're both voxels. The problem with voxels is always the memory requirements. Even with only one byte per voxel at 1cm resolution, you're talking 1GB of per 10m cube for a naive implementation. You can limit your model to just the visible surfaces of your world, but then you're basically just using fat triangles.
tgb 9y ago
Wow, that brings back memories. The company behind that, Euclideon, is apparently now in the "hologram" business. Watch their video, it's exactly what you would expect from their earlier ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPWk0UhKDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPWk0UhKDQ
PinkMilkshake 9y ago
I think it's a little too early to call vaporware on Euclideon. I check on them about twice a year and they are often experimenting with something new. They have a VR entertainment center here in Australia you can visit called Holoverse. They also released a web demo a while back which is no longer available, but here is a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlR8AQuIQH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlR8AQuIQH4 It's interesting to see all the CPU cores at near 100% utilization and very little on the GPU.

Anyone else getting flashbacks to that "Infinite Detail" Vaporware/Propagandaware with this? "Exciting New Graphics Technology!", light on technical details and heavy on marketing speak.

p1necone 9y ago

We need a nice succinct term for projects that are purely marketing and exist only to scam money out of venture capitalists.

fwip 9y ago
I think vaporware does the job.
- lainga 9y ago
  But this is specifically shined up for VCs - ventureware!
  - fenwick67 9y ago
    Ooh I love this and will start using it immediately
- gnode 9y ago
  "Vaporware" doesn't distinguish these from well-intentioned efforts which stagnate in development hell.
skocznymroczny 9y ago
It needs to be catchy like bullshot - the term for fake screenshots of games before they are released, which look much better than the real game

vernie 9y ago

Yea, I thought that Euclideon had changed their name.

mlvljr 9y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irf-HJ4fBls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irf-HJ4fBls looks good, in fact, as does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BehxAWT8Gs8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BehxAWT8Gs8. A fast point search algorythm, apparently.

CobrastanJorji 9y ago

Definitely. There could absolutely be good tech here, but getting through the vaporware-like marketing speak is too hard. It hit so many buzzwords and tropes that by the time they got to "like Minecraft but better" I was just laughing.

ClassyJacket 9y ago

"Unlimited detail" I think it was called. And yes, I even thought this might be them for a second.

taneq 9y ago

Yeah, that was my first thought too. Maybe it's just because they're both voxels. The problem with voxels is always the memory requirements. Even with only one byte per voxel at 1cm resolution, you're talking 1GB of per 10m cube for a naive implementation. You can limit your model to just the visible surfaces of your world, but then you're basically just using fat triangles.

tgb 9y ago

Wow, that brings back memories. The company behind that, Euclideon, is apparently now in the "hologram" business. Watch their video, it's exactly what you would expect from their earlier ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPWk0UhKDQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjPWk0UhKDQ

PinkMilkshake 9y ago

I think it's a little too early to call vaporware on Euclideon. I check on them about twice a year and they are often experimenting with something new. They have a VR entertainment center here in Australia you can visit called Holoverse. They also released a web demo a while back which is no longer available, but here is a video of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlR8AQuIQH4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlR8AQuIQH4 It's interesting to see all the CPU cores at near 100% utilization and very little on the GPU.