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> There really isn't anything nefarious in trying to find a good case to set precedent Far enough, however the FBI's argument was that they needed a backdoor t

> There really isn't anything nefarious in trying to find a good case to set precedent Far enough, however the FBI's argument was that they needed a backdoor to get into phones like this, when it turns out that they didn't need the back door at all, and not only did they purchase a "crack" to open the phone, they also had Apple's help and could have gotten the information they needed using the tools they already had at their disposal. As I read it, this is not about finding a nice court case, it's about misleading the courts with the respect to the necessity of the back door. In other words, they weren't finding a sympathetic case, they were manufacturing it.

rdtsc 9y ago
> it's about misleading the courts with the respect to the necessity of the back door. In other words, they weren't finding a sympathetic case, they were manufacturing it. Absolutely. Now they kinda of gave Comey the benefit of the doubt saying "he didn't know" but it turns out ROU team was doing it. --- The OIG report concluded that Director Comey didn’t know that his testimony was false at the time he gave it. But it was false, and technical staff in FBI’s own ROU knew it was false. --- Not sure what happened there. I think there are two levels of "truth" one is what is written and recorded, and the real "truth". How did ROU started working on the device to begin with. Did they go to the evidence box and started tinkering with the phone when CEAU wasn't watching? Did they clone the device and handed it to multiple teams "here if anyone of you can figure it out, you get an extra 10 days of vacation" or something like that. On the manufacturing part. FBI, likes to manufacture evidence and skirt around entrapment whenever possible. What better way to look important and get more power than making your own reality. Here is their informant infiltrating a mosque in Irvine, CA and radicalizing people. http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-20151221-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-2... he was reported to the, wait for it, ... FBI. There are other cases as well: https://theintercept.com/2015/01/16/latest-fbi-boast-disrupting-terror-u-s-plot-deserves-scrutiny-skepticism/ https://theintercept.com/2015/01/16/latest-fbi-boast-disrupt...
- stevew20 9y ago
  It seems a very likely strategy for Comey (based on past instances of him lying under oath) to have tasked the unit with breaking into the phone, then simultaneously pushing on Apple to unlock it. In this scenario, all Comey had to do was NOT ACCEPT the final report from the unit working on the phone, and that project would remain at <100% indefinitely. In a military beaurocracy setting, until a work order or transfer order is signed off by the one who issued it, it is not legally binding as being completed. Also, easy for Comey to tell the unit not to contact him with any details so he wouldn't have to purjure himself. In any case, he really should be in jail, as he is a total sociopath and all of those FBI guys are guilty of watching kiddy porn.
  - colejohnson66 9y ago
    > and all of those FBI guys are guilty of watching kiddy porn. What? I was with you up until that point. Then you lost me.

rdtsc 9y ago

> it's about misleading the courts with the respect to the necessity of the back door. In other words, they weren't finding a sympathetic case, they were manufacturing it. Absolutely. Now they kinda of gave Comey the benefit of the doubt saying "he didn't know" but it turns out ROU team was doing it. --- The OIG report concluded that Director Comey didn’t know that his testimony was false at the time he gave it. But it was false, and technical staff in FBI’s own ROU knew it was false. --- Not sure what happened there. I think there are two levels of "truth" one is what is written and recorded, and the real "truth". How did ROU started working on the device to begin with. Did they go to the evidence box and started tinkering with the phone when CEAU wasn't watching? Did they clone the device and handed it to multiple teams "here if anyone of you can figure it out, you get an extra 10 days of vacation" or something like that. On the manufacturing part. FBI, likes to manufacture evidence and skirt around entrapment whenever possible. What better way to look important and get more power than making your own reality. Here is their informant infiltrating a mosque in Irvine, CA and radicalizing people. http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-20151221-story.html http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-muslim-fbi-2... he was reported to the, wait for it, ... FBI. There are other cases as well: https://theintercept.com/2015/01/16/latest-fbi-boast-disrupting-terror-u-s-plot-deserves-scrutiny-skepticism/ https://theintercept.com/2015/01/16/latest-fbi-boast-disrupt...

stevew20 9y ago
It seems a very likely strategy for Comey (based on past instances of him lying under oath) to have tasked the unit with breaking into the phone, then simultaneously pushing on Apple to unlock it. In this scenario, all Comey had to do was NOT ACCEPT the final report from the unit working on the phone, and that project would remain at <100% indefinitely. In a military beaurocracy setting, until a work order or transfer order is signed off by the one who issued it, it is not legally binding as being completed. Also, easy for Comey to tell the unit not to contact him with any details so he wouldn't have to purjure himself. In any case, he really should be in jail, as he is a total sociopath and all of those FBI guys are guilty of watching kiddy porn.
- colejohnson66 9y ago
  > and all of those FBI guys are guilty of watching kiddy porn. What? I was with you up until that point. Then you lost me.