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If we do not push for safety then the manufacturers would invent some bad statistics and cheap out on sensors and engineering after they pass the bad statistics

If we do not push for safety then the manufacturers would invent some bad statistics and cheap out on sensors and engineering after they pass the bad statistics percentage. The traffic issue it won't be actually solved with this kind of self driving cars, you would need new infrastructure, like modern metros/trains. The dream of fast moving self driving cars, like a sword, I don't think is possible without a huge infrastructure change and I think the sword of cars would need a central point of control.

cm2187 9y ago
You will increase traffic without material change to infrastructures if you have no car parked in the street (particularly in Europe where streets are typically narrow) and you have better traffic flow management (coordinating self driving cars), variable speed limits, etc.
- simion314 9y ago
  What is the minimum time you guess it would take to have a city with only self driven cars that could just drive by following lines and other specific signals? I do not think this will happen in an existing city for at least 20 years. I can imagine scenarios where a glitch or something else could cause tons of traffic issues in a city with only self driving cars. I am not against self driving cars, I don't like the fact that this startups arrived and push alpha quality stuff on the public roads, it will create a bad image for the entire field.
  - cm2187 9y ago
    If all newly produced cars are self-driving cars in 10 years, I think it is reasonable to ban non self-driving cars 10 years after that. So 20 years sounds about right. It's not that long for such a fundamental change. And yes it will create its own problems. Like if these cars get hacked, they will cause serious damages.
    - base698 9y ago
      Or maybe having a population with no hard challenges in their youth, like learning to drive and surviving. Seems to lead to people incapable of handling adulthood or developing judgement about risk.
    - simion314 9y ago
      So if you think the timeline is 20 years at best then we need that present self driving cars be able to drive on present roads with human driven cars, pedestrians, bikes, holes in the road, some bad marked roads, roads without markings, roads with a bit of snow, heavy rain,fog. Adding some extra markings, special electronic markings for this cars is not a solution, and in this 20 years since the traffic is mixed you can't consider lifting the speed limits or changing the intersection rules, so I don't see how it helps the traffic (except maybe on small streets if you consider that people won't want to own their car and will use any random car. this random cars should be super clean and cheap to make people not own their own)

cm2187 9y ago

You will increase traffic without material change to infrastructures if you have no car parked in the street (particularly in Europe where streets are typically narrow) and you have better traffic flow management (coordinating self driving cars), variable speed limits, etc.

simion314 9y ago
What is the minimum time you guess it would take to have a city with only self driven cars that could just drive by following lines and other specific signals? I do not think this will happen in an existing city for at least 20 years. I can imagine scenarios where a glitch or something else could cause tons of traffic issues in a city with only self driving cars. I am not against self driving cars, I don't like the fact that this startups arrived and push alpha quality stuff on the public roads, it will create a bad image for the entire field.
- cm2187 9y ago
  If all newly produced cars are self-driving cars in 10 years, I think it is reasonable to ban non self-driving cars 10 years after that. So 20 years sounds about right. It's not that long for such a fundamental change. And yes it will create its own problems. Like if these cars get hacked, they will cause serious damages.
  - base698 9y ago
    Or maybe having a population with no hard challenges in their youth, like learning to drive and surviving. Seems to lead to people incapable of handling adulthood or developing judgement about risk.
  - simion314 9y ago
    So if you think the timeline is 20 years at best then we need that present self driving cars be able to drive on present roads with human driven cars, pedestrians, bikes, holes in the road, some bad marked roads, roads without markings, roads with a bit of snow, heavy rain,fog. Adding some extra markings, special electronic markings for this cars is not a solution, and in this 20 years since the traffic is mixed you can't consider lifting the speed limits or changing the intersection rules, so I don't see how it helps the traffic (except maybe on small streets if you consider that people won't want to own their car and will use any random car. this random cars should be super clean and cheap to make people not own their own)