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>If she's happy with this level of privacy though, what's the problem? The problem is that it's not just her privacy she's violating, but the privacy of everyo

>If she's happy with this level of privacy though, what's the problem? The problem is that it's not just her privacy she's violating, but the privacy of everyone else, including OP, whose photos get shared by said cousin. When I got back from a trip I took abroad with my family earlier this year, my friends mentioned that they'd seen the photos that "I" had posted to Facebook. Except... I hadn't posted any photos to Facebook. I have a Facebook account, but I deliberately have a very minimal presence on it. What my friends were seeing was the photos that my mother had posted, and which I had been tagged in. My privacy was violated by someone else's inability to understand Facebook's privacy settings.

blanche_ 9y ago
You can enable to only tag photos after your approval.
- a012 9y ago
  You can add a filter on your profile but the other people did post a photo which include yourself on their wall. So mutual friends still see the post no matter your security settings.
auxbuss 9y ago
This is a key point that folk are genuinely surprised by when I explain it to them. It's kind of a reverse herd immunity. (I'm sure there's a better analogy.)
- keketi 9y ago
  > reverse herd immunity (I'm sure there's a better analogy.) Asymptomatic carrier.
  - mieseratte 9y ago
    > Asymptomatic carrier. An asymptomatic carrier is one who exhibits no symptoms of the illness but is carrier who can infect others. I don't believe that is the right analogy here. With herd immunity you have a group with a large rate of participation, which effectively immunizes those that haven't been. Facebook is the opposite in that you may not be "infected" but if everyone around you is "infected" you might as well be, because Facebook will piece together your information based on what your friends make available. Plague almost starts to sound like a better analogy...
seanwilson 9y ago
Turn on the feature to hide photos you're tagged in and tell people you know they're not to show photos of you to other people then? Or tell people not to take photos of you? If Facebook didn't exist, people would still show photos to people in other ways. If someone takes your photo they're more than likely going to show it to somebody so I would assume a low level of privacy by default.
- mulander 9y ago
  > Turn on the feature to hide photos you're tagged in And how should I do that if I don't have a Facebook account? How do I tell Facebook to not steal my phone number and texts from phones of my friends?
  - seanwilson 9y ago
    > How do I tell Facebook to not steal my phone number and texts from phones of my friends? https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-and-sms-history/ https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-an... "Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for people using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. ... This feature does not collect the content of your calls or text messages"
    - barrkel 9y ago
      So, to reiterate, how to stop Facebook from stealing your phone number from your friend's phones? Phone numbers aren't content - FB is still stealing it.
      - wilsonnb 9y ago
        It's not stealing if your friend consents to it. If you don't want your phone number shared with Facebook, don't share it with people who are going to share it with Facebook.
  - wilsonnb 9y ago
    You can't tell Facebook not to do that because your phone number and texts are no longer just yours at that point. Your friend has a copy and can do whatever they want with them, including share them with Facebook, the NSA/FBI/police, their friends, or anyone else they want to. If you don't want them shared with Facebook, don't give the people who are sharing them with Facebook a copy.
criley2 9y ago
"When I got back from a trip I took abroad with my family earlier this year, my friends mentioned that they'd seen the photos that "I" had posted to Facebook. Except... I hadn't posted any photos to Facebook. I have a Facebook account, but I deliberately have a very minimal presence on it. What my friends were seeing was the photos that my mother had posted, and which I had been tagged in. My privacy was violated by someone else's inability to understand Facebook's privacy settings." Ironically, it was your OWN inability to understand Facebook's privacy settings. Go to Settings -> Click " Timeline and Tagging Settings" -> Edit " Who can add things to my timeline? " section : " Review posts that friends tag you in before they appear on your Timeline?" make " Enabled " There, you will never be tagged in another photo or post, and you now have a review process for anyone who attempts those things, so you can manually up or down those things.
- MartinCron 9y ago
  I am reminded of a basic fact: You can’t opt-out of other people talking about you online. Keeping people from tagging you is pretty close, though.
- quadyeast 9y ago
  No, this is FB's fault. This should be opt-in.
- KC8ZKF 9y ago
  So you have to join Facebook in order to not be tagged on Facebook?
  - romwell 9y ago
    The tags work in the way OP described only if you are already a user.
- raquo 9y ago
  You can't actually opt out of tagging anymore, you can only opt out of tags appearing on your timeline, but people can still see the photos and see that you are tagged in them.
awat 9y ago
I think your point is under represented in the digital privacy conversation. It doesnt do me a lot of good to stay off of Facebook if Facebook is still mapping me and scraping my contact info from other peoples phones.

blanche_ 9y ago

You can enable to only tag photos after your approval.

a012 9y ago
You can add a filter on your profile but the other people did post a photo which include yourself on their wall. So mutual friends still see the post no matter your security settings.

auxbuss 9y ago

This is a key point that folk are genuinely surprised by when I explain it to them. It's kind of a reverse herd immunity. (I'm sure there's a better analogy.)

keketi 9y ago
> reverse herd immunity (I'm sure there's a better analogy.) Asymptomatic carrier.
- mieseratte 9y ago
  > Asymptomatic carrier. An asymptomatic carrier is one who exhibits no symptoms of the illness but is carrier who can infect others. I don't believe that is the right analogy here. With herd immunity you have a group with a large rate of participation, which effectively immunizes those that haven't been. Facebook is the opposite in that you may not be "infected" but if everyone around you is "infected" you might as well be, because Facebook will piece together your information based on what your friends make available. Plague almost starts to sound like a better analogy...

seanwilson 9y ago

Turn on the feature to hide photos you're tagged in and tell people you know they're not to show photos of you to other people then? Or tell people not to take photos of you? If Facebook didn't exist, people would still show photos to people in other ways. If someone takes your photo they're more than likely going to show it to somebody so I would assume a low level of privacy by default.

mulander 9y ago
> Turn on the feature to hide photos you're tagged in And how should I do that if I don't have a Facebook account? How do I tell Facebook to not steal my phone number and texts from phones of my friends?
- seanwilson 9y ago
  > How do I tell Facebook to not steal my phone number and texts from phones of my friends? https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-and-sms-history/ https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2018/03/fact-check-your-call-an... "Call and text history logging is part of an opt-in feature for people using Messenger or Facebook Lite on Android. ... This feature does not collect the content of your calls or text messages"
  - barrkel 9y ago
    So, to reiterate, how to stop Facebook from stealing your phone number from your friend's phones? Phone numbers aren't content - FB is still stealing it.
    - wilsonnb 9y ago
      It's not stealing if your friend consents to it. If you don't want your phone number shared with Facebook, don't share it with people who are going to share it with Facebook.
- wilsonnb 9y ago
  You can't tell Facebook not to do that because your phone number and texts are no longer just yours at that point. Your friend has a copy and can do whatever they want with them, including share them with Facebook, the NSA/FBI/police, their friends, or anyone else they want to. If you don't want them shared with Facebook, don't give the people who are sharing them with Facebook a copy.

criley2 9y ago

"When I got back from a trip I took abroad with my family earlier this year, my friends mentioned that they'd seen the photos that "I" had posted to Facebook. Except... I hadn't posted any photos to Facebook. I have a Facebook account, but I deliberately have a very minimal presence on it. What my friends were seeing was the photos that my mother had posted, and which I had been tagged in. My privacy was violated by someone else's inability to understand Facebook's privacy settings." Ironically, it was your OWN inability to understand Facebook's privacy settings. Go to Settings -> Click " Timeline and Tagging Settings" -> Edit " Who can add things to my timeline? " section : " Review posts that friends tag you in before they appear on your Timeline?" make " Enabled " There, you will never be tagged in another photo or post, and you now have a review process for anyone who attempts those things, so you can manually up or down those things.

MartinCron 9y ago
I am reminded of a basic fact: You can’t opt-out of other people talking about you online. Keeping people from tagging you is pretty close, though.
quadyeast 9y ago
No, this is FB's fault. This should be opt-in.
KC8ZKF 9y ago
So you have to join Facebook in order to not be tagged on Facebook?
- romwell 9y ago
  The tags work in the way OP described only if you are already a user.
raquo 9y ago
You can't actually opt out of tagging anymore, you can only opt out of tags appearing on your timeline, but people can still see the photos and see that you are tagged in them.

awat 9y ago

I think your point is under represented in the digital privacy conversation. It doesnt do me a lot of good to stay off of Facebook if Facebook is still mapping me and scraping my contact info from other peoples phones.