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all that IQ tests validate is how well someone can take an IQ test. It means absolutely nothing in terms of validity of ideas, business sense, self motivation,

all that IQ tests validate is how well someone can take an IQ test. It means absolutely nothing in terms of validity of ideas, business sense, self motivation, discipline, leadership skills etc.

logicallee 9y ago
yeah? well I say: all a normal funding application does is test how well you can fill out a funding application! So adding an IQ test changes that to something meaningful, that correlates with AI (what these applications are for). After all, how is a low-intelligence person supposed to make a project in artificial intelligence! I stand 100% by my support of their process.
- sigi45 9y ago
  Wow that is actually disgusting. There might be a lower limit IQ you might need to be able to hold enough data in your head to archive specific thoughts but i don't think that this limit is very high. There are enough dedicated human beings out there who are not that smart but dedicated. They are easily able to do projects in artificial intelligence. AI is not that complicated. It takes probably more stamina than IQ as a lot of research does.
  - logicallee 9y ago
    I am certain that you are factually mistaken and there is not one single AI researcher anyone in the world who has ever personally coded a single project without having a high IQ. Sorry.
    - YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
      I'm an AI researcher, I have been coding like crazy for the last ten years and I'm dumb as bricks. Sorry to burst your bubble.
      - logicallee 9y ago
        What is your IQ? If you don't know go ahead and test it online. I will go ahead and guess 127: nearly two standard deviations above the mean. (i.e. IQ-wise in the top 5%.) Call it dumb all you want: that's just you being modest.
        YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
        I find it very funny that you would think I'm, like, super smart. That has literally never happened to me before :) I'm not being modest. I'm lucky to have smart people around me and I know how smart they are and how smart I am, and I'm not that smart. Anyway I've learned not to worry about it. I'm tenacious. That's taken me a long way already. If it helps, though, I once cheated on an online IQ test for a job. I took it with a friend and we got 130 points together (I didn't like the job). I guess that means my IQ is somewhere around 65 :P
        logicallee 9y ago
        oh okay, so I guessed 127 for your IQ and you already got 130 on a test you took with a friend. don't take an IQ test for me if you don't want to but I'm done proving my case.
        YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
        Oh, alright then- you win, I'm super smart :|
        logicallee 9y ago
        But modesty is a virtue :) it just doesn't help the current thread. :) cheers,
exolymph 9y ago
That is not true. IQ correlates with basically every good life outcome. Here's an example discussion of how this works, drawing on various studies: http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/02/stalin-and-summary-statistics/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/02/stalin-and-summary-stat...
- logicallee 9y ago
  You try a rebuttal, which I commend, but the approach of your rebuttal isn't strong enough! Height also correlates with "basically every good life outcome" but the application form didn't ask for our height: nor should it. IQ is inherently different. I really support the IQ test they decided to give and I definitely think they should glance at the results - especially to basically approve any applications from people with great results even if the evaluators don't understand the proposed application exactly.

all that IQ tests validate is how well someone can take an IQ test. It means absolutely nothing in terms of validity of ideas, business sense, self motivation, discipline, leadership skills etc.

logicallee 9y ago

yeah? well I say: all a normal funding application does is test how well you can fill out a funding application! So adding an IQ test changes that to something meaningful, that correlates with AI (what these applications are for). After all, how is a low-intelligence person supposed to make a project in artificial intelligence! I stand 100% by my support of their process.

sigi45 9y ago
Wow that is actually disgusting. There might be a lower limit IQ you might need to be able to hold enough data in your head to archive specific thoughts but i don't think that this limit is very high. There are enough dedicated human beings out there who are not that smart but dedicated. They are easily able to do projects in artificial intelligence. AI is not that complicated. It takes probably more stamina than IQ as a lot of research does.
- logicallee 9y ago
  I am certain that you are factually mistaken and there is not one single AI researcher anyone in the world who has ever personally coded a single project without having a high IQ. Sorry.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
    I'm an AI researcher, I have been coding like crazy for the last ten years and I'm dumb as bricks. Sorry to burst your bubble.
    - logicallee 9y ago
      What is your IQ? If you don't know go ahead and test it online. I will go ahead and guess 127: nearly two standard deviations above the mean. (i.e. IQ-wise in the top 5%.) Call it dumb all you want: that's just you being modest.
      - YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
        I find it very funny that you would think I'm, like, super smart. That has literally never happened to me before :) I'm not being modest. I'm lucky to have smart people around me and I know how smart they are and how smart I am, and I'm not that smart. Anyway I've learned not to worry about it. I'm tenacious. That's taken me a long way already. If it helps, though, I once cheated on an online IQ test for a job. I took it with a friend and we got 130 points together (I didn't like the job). I guess that means my IQ is somewhere around 65 :P
        logicallee 9y ago
        oh okay, so I guessed 127 for your IQ and you already got 130 on a test you took with a friend. don't take an IQ test for me if you don't want to but I'm done proving my case.
        YeGoblynQueenne 9y ago
        Oh, alright then- you win, I'm super smart :|
        logicallee 9y ago
        But modesty is a virtue :) it just doesn't help the current thread. :) cheers,

exolymph 9y ago

That is not true. IQ correlates with basically every good life outcome. Here's an example discussion of how this works, drawing on various studies: http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/02/stalin-and-summary-statistics/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2015/08/02/stalin-and-summary-stat...

logicallee 9y ago
You try a rebuttal, which I commend, but the approach of your rebuttal isn't strong enough! Height also correlates with "basically every good life outcome" but the application form didn't ask for our height: nor should it. IQ is inherently different. I really support the IQ test they decided to give and I definitely think they should glance at the results - especially to basically approve any applications from people with great results even if the evaluators don't understand the proposed application exactly.