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> approving this well is a technical environmental decision, and shouldn't depend on how much people scream. That's completely incorrect because the state is r

by zzzeek 9y ago

> approving this well is a technical environmental decision, and shouldn't depend on how much people scream. That's completely incorrect because the state is run by politically elected leadership who ultimately answer to the people. If the people hated Nestle because its factories were painted green, they have the right to complain and ultimately vote for leadership that would disallow Nestle to paint their factories green.

ucaetano 9y ago
> That's completely incorrect because the state is run by politically elected leadership who ultimately answer to the people. This isn't being voted by elected officials, this is being approved by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality following the standard procedure set in law by elected officials. > If the people hated Nestle because its factories were painted green, they have the right to complain and ultimately vote for leadership that would disallow Nestle to paint their factories green. Yes, and they should do so at the ballot or at their elected officials. Or are you suggesting that any laws and regulations are legally void when 80k people comment against it?
Turing_Machine 9y ago
> If the people hated Nestle because its factories were painted green, they have the right to complain and ultimately vote for leadership that would disallow Nestle to paint their factories green. What if they didn't like Nestle hiring black people? You have the right to complain, yes. That doesn't mean you automatically get your way. Not even if everyone votes for it.
- zzzeek 9y ago
  again, the Civil Rights Act was passed by a politically elected congress. Not sure why everyone is so upset by my post that essentially is reiterating, "the people have a right to be heard and they ultimately elect how their town/state/country is run".
  - Turing_Machine 9y ago
    > again, the Civil Rights Act was passed by a politically elected congress. Imagine a hypothetical world where the South won the Civil War and successfully seceded. The elected government of the Confederate States of America says that black people have no civil rights whatsoever. Okay by you?
    - dang 9y ago
      You've been breaking the site guidelines by getting into flamewars. Please don't do that—it's just what we don't want here. A comment like this one also breaks the guideline that says: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by zzzeek 9y ago

ucaetano 9y ago

> That's completely incorrect because the state is run by politically elected leadership who ultimately answer to the people. This isn't being voted by elected officials, this is being approved by the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality following the standard procedure set in law by elected officials. > If the people hated Nestle because its factories were painted green, they have the right to complain and ultimately vote for leadership that would disallow Nestle to paint their factories green. Yes, and they should do so at the ballot or at their elected officials. Or are you suggesting that any laws and regulations are legally void when 80k people comment against it?

Turing_Machine 9y ago

> If the people hated Nestle because its factories were painted green, they have the right to complain and ultimately vote for leadership that would disallow Nestle to paint their factories green. What if they didn't like Nestle hiring black people? You have the right to complain, yes. That doesn't mean you automatically get your way. Not even if everyone votes for it.

zzzeek 9y ago
again, the Civil Rights Act was passed by a politically elected congress. Not sure why everyone is so upset by my post that essentially is reiterating, "the people have a right to be heard and they ultimately elect how their town/state/country is run".
- Turing_Machine 9y ago
  > again, the Civil Rights Act was passed by a politically elected congress. Imagine a hypothetical world where the South won the Civil War and successfully seceded. The elected government of the Confederate States of America says that black people have no civil rights whatsoever. Okay by you?
  - dang 9y ago
    You've been breaking the site guidelines by getting into flamewars. Please don't do that—it's just what we don't want here. A comment like this one also breaks the guideline that says: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html