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Why do you refer to them as extra-judicial killings?

Tossrock 9y ago
Because there was no involvement of the judiciary system. See the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, and more to the point, his son. Oh, and also his daughter now, I guess.
- wilsonnb 9y ago
  I'm familiar with that specific case but it's an exception to the rule. The OP seems to think that extra-judicial killings by drone strike are a common occurrence and the evidence does not support that. I'm not saying I support it from a moral standpoint but I don't think it's fair to call them extra-judicial except in a few cases.
  - ionised 9y ago
    > I'm familiar with that specific case but it's an exception to the rule. The OP seems to think that extra-judicial killings by drone strike are a common occurrence and the evidence does not support that. No, it is the rule. Drone strikes are incredibly high in collateral damage. The estimate is 28 unidentified people for each 1 target; https://reprieve.org.uk/press/2014_11_25_us_drone_strikes_kill_28_each_target/ https://reprieve.org.uk/press/2014_11_25_us_drone_strikes_ki...
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
A non-military entity (the CIA), which should not be operating military hardware (but does), assassinates targets without due process (or really, any hard evidence at all), in countries we aren't at war with (formally or otherwise). Depending on our relationship with the country in question, we may or may not bother to let that country know we're going to kill some of their citizens ahead of time.
- wilsonnb 9y ago
  Putting aside moral issues with the CIA, what's the legal reason that they should not be operating military hardware? As far as I know, CIA assassinations of foreign citizens aren't illegal as long as they take place outside of the US. There was at least one instance of a drone strike killing one or two American citizens which is definitely extra-judicial. Most drone strikes do not kill American citizens so referring to drone strikes in general as extra-judicial doesn't seem accurate to me. I would like to clarify that I don't necessarily think that the US's use of drone strikes is morally correct. I just think it's not correct to refer to it as extra-judicial.
  - ocdtrekkie 9y ago
    It certainly is illegal in the country in which they do it. As far as I know, pretty much all foreign intelligence work is technically illegal where it's conducted.
    - wilsonnb 9y ago
      That is technically true but I do not think that's what the original poster meant by "extra-judicial".

Because there was no involvement of the judiciary system. See the case of Anwar al-Awlaki, and more to the point, his son. Oh, and also his daughter now, I guess.

wilsonnb 9y ago
I'm familiar with that specific case but it's an exception to the rule. The OP seems to think that extra-judicial killings by drone strike are a common occurrence and the evidence does not support that. I'm not saying I support it from a moral standpoint but I don't think it's fair to call them extra-judicial except in a few cases.
- ionised 9y ago
  > I'm familiar with that specific case but it's an exception to the rule. The OP seems to think that extra-judicial killings by drone strike are a common occurrence and the evidence does not support that. No, it is the rule. Drone strikes are incredibly high in collateral damage. The estimate is 28 unidentified people for each 1 target; https://reprieve.org.uk/press/2014_11_25_us_drone_strikes_kill_28_each_target/ https://reprieve.org.uk/press/2014_11_25_us_drone_strikes_ki...

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

A non-military entity (the CIA), which should not be operating military hardware (but does), assassinates targets without due process (or really, any hard evidence at all), in countries we aren't at war with (formally or otherwise). Depending on our relationship with the country in question, we may or may not bother to let that country know we're going to kill some of their citizens ahead of time.

wilsonnb 9y ago
Putting aside moral issues with the CIA, what's the legal reason that they should not be operating military hardware? As far as I know, CIA assassinations of foreign citizens aren't illegal as long as they take place outside of the US. There was at least one instance of a drone strike killing one or two American citizens which is definitely extra-judicial. Most drone strikes do not kill American citizens so referring to drone strikes in general as extra-judicial doesn't seem accurate to me. I would like to clarify that I don't necessarily think that the US's use of drone strikes is morally correct. I just think it's not correct to refer to it as extra-judicial.
- ocdtrekkie 9y ago
  It certainly is illegal in the country in which they do it. As far as I know, pretty much all foreign intelligence work is technically illegal where it's conducted.
  - wilsonnb 9y ago
    That is technically true but I do not think that's what the original poster meant by "extra-judicial".