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I find it concerning that Facebook now has an excuse to lock in their data monopoly by effectively refusing to give up their users' data about themselves. For e

by auntad 8y ago

I find it concerning that Facebook now has an excuse to lock in their data monopoly by effectively refusing to give up their users' data about themselves. For example, it appears it would now be impossible to build an IG alternative platform that piggybacks off of your existing follow graph. So switching costs to a competitor suddenly skyrocket when there's no possibility of an "import" feature. So basically Facebook's data monopoly just got stronger. Am I missing something?

samfisher83 8y ago
If they give their data to other people, people will complain. If they don't people will complain. It seems like no matter what they do someone will be mad.
- jameslevy 8y ago
  The solution is obvious. Allow people to export their data at least in a bulk snapshot, for the purpose of data portability. However, make it somewhat difficult/scary to do this, so that a personality quiz app won't be able to successfully trick you into agreeing to it.
  - samfisher83 8y ago
    You can export your data. They even list what you can export: https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254?helpref=page_content https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254?helpref=page_c...
    - nugi 8y ago
      'What you can export' is not the totality of data provided by, or collected about you. Only what they choose, or are compelled, to reveal.
      - hyfen 8y ago
        It also doesn't include any Instagram data
  - tedmiston 8y ago
    There have been some third party services [1] that allow a data dump of your Instagram photos... which probably just lost their functionality in the API deprecation. (Though I think they were really _just_ the photos without the other data like your stories, drafts, comments, followers and followings graph, etc.) Perhaps locking it down puts pressure on IG to provide an official solution since others can't. Or... one could write some code to run a headless browser and scrape everything that can be loaded on desktop. [1]: https://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/07/01/instaport-download-your-entire-instagram-archive-for-backup-or-upload/ https://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/07/01/instaport-download-yo...
- auntad 8y ago
  That's fair from their perspective. Frustrating from a competitive standpoint: the most common reason for a user's "Why wouldn't I just use Facebook for that [instead of some new product]?" seems to be that all their data / friend graph is already on FB. Does anyone know of any kind of community effort to democratize social data? e.g. ideal product: API-ified dashboard where I can view all my FB friends, IG followers, Twitter followers as well as every single piece of content (tweets, photos, etc) that I have permission to view on each respective platform. Standardized in a public format, live updated, and consumable by other apps (if permitted by those apps' users). Super technically challenging (given that much of this data would be inaccessible without well-maintained brittle web scraping bots), but seems technically possible. But I guess such an effort could run into the same scrutiny as the reasons IG shut down these endpoints... :\
  - rspeer 8y ago
    If you "democratize social data", you should expect privacy to quickly get out-voted.

by auntad 8y ago

samfisher83 8y ago

If they give their data to other people, people will complain. If they don't people will complain. It seems like no matter what they do someone will be mad.

jameslevy 8y ago
The solution is obvious. Allow people to export their data at least in a bulk snapshot, for the purpose of data portability. However, make it somewhat difficult/scary to do this, so that a personality quiz app won't be able to successfully trick you into agreeing to it.
- samfisher83 8y ago
  You can export your data. They even list what you can export: https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254?helpref=page_content https://www.facebook.com/help/405183566203254?helpref=page_c...
  - nugi 8y ago
    'What you can export' is not the totality of data provided by, or collected about you. Only what they choose, or are compelled, to reveal.
    - hyfen 8y ago
      It also doesn't include any Instagram data
- tedmiston 8y ago
  There have been some third party services [1] that allow a data dump of your Instagram photos... which probably just lost their functionality in the API deprecation. (Though I think they were really _just_ the photos without the other data like your stories, drafts, comments, followers and followings graph, etc.) Perhaps locking it down puts pressure on IG to provide an official solution since others can't. Or... one could write some code to run a headless browser and scrape everything that can be loaded on desktop. [1]: https://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/07/01/instaport-download-your-entire-instagram-archive-for-backup-or-upload/ https://thenextweb.com/apps/2011/07/01/instaport-download-yo...
auntad 8y ago
That's fair from their perspective. Frustrating from a competitive standpoint: the most common reason for a user's "Why wouldn't I just use Facebook for that [instead of some new product]?" seems to be that all their data / friend graph is already on FB. Does anyone know of any kind of community effort to democratize social data? e.g. ideal product: API-ified dashboard where I can view all my FB friends, IG followers, Twitter followers as well as every single piece of content (tweets, photos, etc) that I have permission to view on each respective platform. Standardized in a public format, live updated, and consumable by other apps (if permitted by those apps' users). Super technically challenging (given that much of this data would be inaccessible without well-maintained brittle web scraping bots), but seems technically possible. But I guess such an effort could run into the same scrutiny as the reasons IG shut down these endpoints... :\
- rspeer 8y ago
  If you "democratize social data", you should expect privacy to quickly get out-voted.