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Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were

Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility.

meesterdude 9y ago
i suspect they'll sooner roll out security theater practices across their work campuses, than implement such an act of self-restraint.
Slansitartop 9y ago
> Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility. Probably not. Whenever there's a shooting, there seems to be a strong pressure to disregard the idea of addressing the shooter's motives. If anything, I expect Youtube's demonetization policies to attract more sympathy and support, since they were victimized on account of them.
- matt-attack 9y ago
  Why then is there such an obsession with determining the motive. Or classifying the act as terrorism or something else. Honestly I can’t figure out why anyone even cares what the motive was. Doesn’t undo the harm done. The attempt to “understand” is too close to “excusing”. Which then further motivates others to use the same methods.
  - Slansitartop 9y ago
    Isn't it obvious? To understand causes is to have a better change to predict and prevent these events, at both the individual level and that of sociological forces.
noobermin 9y ago
While this was flagged to hell, probably due to insensitivity, this will become a point of discussion going forward. In the aftermath of the terrorist attack in Paris, follow up articles appeared on HN discussing the situation of poor communities on the outskirts of Paris. Although being sensitive is important and just plain human courtesy, and we should be civil, it is important for discourse to discuss the situations and circumstance surrounding such incidents. Incidentally, today is MLK's death anniversary. After race riots in the 60's, he famously condemned them, but then said in his "The Other America" speech: >But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. We need to have the intellectual courage to tolerate this discussion about the situations surrounding it. While one shouldn't martyrize the shooter here, we need to be aware of the circumstances that precipitated it. EDIT: thanks for the vital correction!
- vonzeppelin 9y ago
  >Incidentally, today is MLK's birthday. Death anniversary, not birthday. His (and my!) birthday is 1/15 which is why we celebrate MLK day on the most convenient Monday near that.
simonh 9y ago
Firstly censorship has nothing to do with this. Her YouTube videos weren’t taken down, just not enabled for advertising. Secondly, how negatively effected? They stopped paying her for her content. So what. If you buy a Google phone, does google have a right to expect you will buy the next model, and if you don’t you are ‘negatively affecting’ them? The amount of first world entitlement in this and many other comments here is appalling.

meesterdude 9y ago

i suspect they'll sooner roll out security theater practices across their work campuses, than implement such an act of self-restraint.

Slansitartop 9y ago

> Beyond the censorship issues & lawsuits, Google regularly gets a pass when their crummy policies negatively impact people. While it is horrible that some were hurt in the process, I wonder if this will make Google start approaching their huge amounts of power with some civility. Probably not. Whenever there's a shooting, there seems to be a strong pressure to disregard the idea of addressing the shooter's motives. If anything, I expect Youtube's demonetization policies to attract more sympathy and support, since they were victimized on account of them.

matt-attack 9y ago
Why then is there such an obsession with determining the motive. Or classifying the act as terrorism or something else. Honestly I can’t figure out why anyone even cares what the motive was. Doesn’t undo the harm done. The attempt to “understand” is too close to “excusing”. Which then further motivates others to use the same methods.
- Slansitartop 9y ago
  Isn't it obvious? To understand causes is to have a better change to predict and prevent these events, at both the individual level and that of sociological forces.

noobermin 9y ago

While this was flagged to hell, probably due to insensitivity, this will become a point of discussion going forward. In the aftermath of the terrorist attack in Paris, follow up articles appeared on HN discussing the situation of poor communities on the outskirts of Paris. Although being sensitive is important and just plain human courtesy, and we should be civil, it is important for discourse to discuss the situations and circumstance surrounding such incidents. Incidentally, today is MLK's death anniversary. After race riots in the 60's, he famously condemned them, but then said in his "The Other America" speech: >But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. We need to have the intellectual courage to tolerate this discussion about the situations surrounding it. While one shouldn't martyrize the shooter here, we need to be aware of the circumstances that precipitated it. EDIT: thanks for the vital correction!

vonzeppelin 9y ago
>Incidentally, today is MLK's birthday. Death anniversary, not birthday. His (and my!) birthday is 1/15 which is why we celebrate MLK day on the most convenient Monday near that.

simonh 9y ago

Firstly censorship has nothing to do with this. Her YouTube videos weren’t taken down, just not enabled for advertising. Secondly, how negatively effected? They stopped paying her for her content. So what. If you buy a Google phone, does google have a right to expect you will buy the next model, and if you don’t you are ‘negatively affecting’ them? The amount of first world entitlement in this and many other comments here is appalling.