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> Only in the USA is it normal to think that people should have the right to kill in self defense. If that's the case, I don't want to live anywhere else. If s

> Only in the USA is it normal to think that people should have the right to kill in self defense. If that's the case, I don't want to live anywhere else. If someone breaks into my home in the middle of the night, they pose a deadly threat to my family. In what country would you not feel the same way? > Even more, many think they should be able to defend themselves from the state. Not all states are benevolent, nor are they guaranteed to stay benevolent. Many Americans are wary of our gov't (and IMO rightly so.)

merpnderp 9y ago
You make a great point. Police forces have been sued for responding slowly or not at all to threats on lives and found to have no responsibility to respond to a particular crime.
- throwaway84742 9y ago
  Many people don’t actually know this, but police has “no duty to protect”, meaning that they can perfectly legally not Intervene even if they know with 100% certainty people are being hurt or murdered. Look up “no duty to protect”.
  - stickdogg 9y ago
    I know this from personal experience to be fact.
gfo 9y ago
Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? The same people who are large proponents of the 2nd Amendment also seem to encourage a massive defense budget which seems backwards to me.
- mmirate 9y ago
  Because you have no way of knowing, beforehand, an intruder's exact intentions.
- rtx 9y ago
  >Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? They have the option of wearing a bullet proof vest or use trained monkeys to do their bidding.
- GiorgioG 9y ago
  Because a man's home is his castle. > Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? Nope, some of us citizens believe that the US military ranks will by and large not obey unlawful/unconstitutional orders to attack its own citizenry on our soil. If they choose to do so anyway - good luck, there's more of us than there are of them.
- lliamander 9y ago
  > Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? The loss of property, and the violation of one's home and sense of security are real harms. But the point is not to make the violator pay, so much as it is to merely prevent an injustice. And many (I believe most) defensive gun uses involve merely brandishing the weapon. Most people do not relish the thought of taking another's life. > Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? The same people who are large proponents of the 2nd Amendment also seem to encourage a massive defense budget which seems backwards to me. It makes more sense when you realize that there is significant overlap between "gun owners" and "past or present military service".
  - stickdogg 9y ago
    If u intend to "brandish" a gun and you are not prepared to use it. Then you are the person who needs to be afraid for their life .

merpnderp 9y ago

You make a great point. Police forces have been sued for responding slowly or not at all to threats on lives and found to have no responsibility to respond to a particular crime.

throwaway84742 9y ago
Many people don’t actually know this, but police has “no duty to protect”, meaning that they can perfectly legally not Intervene even if they know with 100% certainty people are being hurt or murdered. Look up “no duty to protect”.
- stickdogg 9y ago
  I know this from personal experience to be fact.

gfo 9y ago

Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? The same people who are large proponents of the 2nd Amendment also seem to encourage a massive defense budget which seems backwards to me.

mmirate 9y ago
Because you have no way of knowing, beforehand, an intruder's exact intentions.
rtx 9y ago
>Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? They have the option of wearing a bullet proof vest or use trained monkeys to do their bidding.
GiorgioG 9y ago
Because a man's home is his castle. > Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? Nope, some of us citizens believe that the US military ranks will by and large not obey unlawful/unconstitutional orders to attack its own citizenry on our soil. If they choose to do so anyway - good luck, there's more of us than there are of them.
lliamander 9y ago
> Why must an intruder, who may be there just to steal something and not harm others, immediately have to pay for their actions with their life? The loss of property, and the violation of one's home and sense of security are real harms. But the point is not to make the violator pay, so much as it is to merely prevent an injustice. And many (I believe most) defensive gun uses involve merely brandishing the weapon. Most people do not relish the thought of taking another's life. > Do gun owners truly believe that they can band together and stop the entirety of the United States military anymore? The same people who are large proponents of the 2nd Amendment also seem to encourage a massive defense budget which seems backwards to me. It makes more sense when you realize that there is significant overlap between "gun owners" and "past or present military service".
- stickdogg 9y ago
  If u intend to "brandish" a gun and you are not prepared to use it. Then you are the person who needs to be afraid for their life .