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>The moment you use a third party service as the key component of your business you lose your 'pro' status. That's ridiculous on any number of levels. Are Pro

>The moment you use a third party service as the key component of your business you lose your 'pro' status. That's ridiculous on any number of levels. Are Pro hockey players not pro because they don't own their teams? Are salespeople not professional because they use SFDC as SaaS instead of their own handcrafted CRM? Hell, are devs not pros if they use GitHub, AWS, or GCP?

jacquesm 9y ago
> That's ridiculous on any number of levels. Yes, if you draw it wider than I intended to it is. After all I clearly meant within the context of creating and delivering content to an audience. If that is your business you operate at the whims of the owners of the network. > Are Pro hockey players not pro because they don't own their teams? I never really got 'professional sports' so I'm not going to be the right person to comment on that. To me a sport is something to be enjoyed, not something to be made into a profession though it is clear that lots of people do just that. Even so, they are not - to me - as much of a professional as say a car mechanic, a musician or a computer programmer would be. If professional sports would disappear tomorrow I wouldn't miss it, but I totally realize I'm in the minority here. > Are salespeople not professional because they use SFDC as SaaS instead of their own handcrafted CRM? They would be unprofessional if they did not plan for outages, being kicked off the service and potential bankruptcies of the SaaS providers. Or at least, the organization they are part of would not be professional. > Hell, are devs not pros if they use GitHub, AWS, or GCP? If they make themselves totally dependent on any of those, then yes, they are not pros. A real business should do the best it can to be an independent entity and should only enter into dependencies after well reasoned out weighing of pros and cons and backup services and options where possible. Otherwise you will find that that business will sooner or later crash due to some outside influence. Now obviously there are some risks that you can not protect against: wars, 'acts of god' (a cop-out to mean anything we can imagine that's out of scope), wholesale market downturn and so on. But a simple account termination should not be able to kill a healthy business.

jacquesm 9y ago

> That's ridiculous on any number of levels. Yes, if you draw it wider than I intended to it is. After all I clearly meant within the context of creating and delivering content to an audience. If that is your business you operate at the whims of the owners of the network. > Are Pro hockey players not pro because they don't own their teams? I never really got 'professional sports' so I'm not going to be the right person to comment on that. To me a sport is something to be enjoyed, not something to be made into a profession though it is clear that lots of people do just that. Even so, they are not - to me - as much of a professional as say a car mechanic, a musician or a computer programmer would be. If professional sports would disappear tomorrow I wouldn't miss it, but I totally realize I'm in the minority here. > Are salespeople not professional because they use SFDC as SaaS instead of their own handcrafted CRM? They would be unprofessional if they did not plan for outages, being kicked off the service and potential bankruptcies of the SaaS providers. Or at least, the organization they are part of would not be professional. > Hell, are devs not pros if they use GitHub, AWS, or GCP? If they make themselves totally dependent on any of those, then yes, they are not pros. A real business should do the best it can to be an independent entity and should only enter into dependencies after well reasoned out weighing of pros and cons and backup services and options where possible. Otherwise you will find that that business will sooner or later crash due to some outside influence. Now obviously there are some risks that you can not protect against: wars, 'acts of god' (a cop-out to mean anything we can imagine that's out of scope), wholesale market downturn and so on. But a simple account termination should not be able to kill a healthy business.