6 ms·

They don't have the right to talk about who is supporting groups they disagree with?

by rhcom2 9y ago

twoodfin 9y ago
Of course they have the right to, but they also should value the open exchange of ideas in society, regardless of what's written in the Federal constitution. That open exchange is hard to have when folks on one side attempt to destroy the livelihood of the folks on the other side rather than argue their ideas directly.
bilbo0s 9y ago
It's a little humorous, as it really does indicate that the people who are complaining that their free speech is being attacked, are themselves, attacking free speech. I'm not sure any of the people arguing points and counterpoints in our society's current free speech debate really value free speech? I think it'd be a bit more accurate to say that these people value THEIR speech and freedom, not really the speech and freedom of others.
- banned1 9y ago
  Bingo! Think Antifa or the students protesting someone at school and not letting them speak.
  - bilbo0s 9y ago
    Your comment does illustrate my point. YOU value the free speech of whoever is speaking, but not that of the counter protesters. Who themselves value THEIR free speech, but not that of whoever is speaking. It's an intractable problem really.
    - banned1 9y ago
      But the counter protesters are free to organize their own speaker engagement. They ARE allowed to speak about their position. My point was that there is lack of civility in discourse. What's the point of interrupting another speaker? Let every speaker speak their mind, in an orderly manner, without interruption. The problem is that some groups have defined "intolerance of intolerance" to be somewhat good, so then discourse stops.
      - bilbo0s 9y ago
        Freedom of Speech, does not imply ORDERLY speech. If a bunch of Americans want to yell at each other, they're free to do so. That's what the First Amendment is all about. And that's what I think you guys all don't understand. The government doesn't have to give you pristine conditions under which you can speak, they just have to let you speak. Unfortunately... they have to let everyone else speak too. At the same time if those people choose. That's what freedom is all about. That's why America is great.

They don't have the right to talk about who is supporting groups they disagree with?

by rhcom2 9y ago

They don't have the right to talk about who is supporting groups they disagree with?

Of course they have the right to, but they also should value the open exchange of ideas in society, regardless of what's written in the Federal constitution. That open exchange is hard to have when folks on one side attempt to destroy the livelihood of the folks on the other side rather than argue their ideas directly.

bilbo0s 9y ago

It's a little humorous, as it really does indicate that the people who are complaining that their free speech is being attacked, are themselves, attacking free speech. I'm not sure any of the people arguing points and counterpoints in our society's current free speech debate really value free speech? I think it'd be a bit more accurate to say that these people value THEIR speech and freedom, not really the speech and freedom of others.

banned1 9y ago
Bingo! Think Antifa or the students protesting someone at school and not letting them speak.
- bilbo0s 9y ago
  Your comment does illustrate my point. YOU value the free speech of whoever is speaking, but not that of the counter protesters. Who themselves value THEIR free speech, but not that of whoever is speaking. It's an intractable problem really.
  - banned1 9y ago
    But the counter protesters are free to organize their own speaker engagement. They ARE allowed to speak about their position. My point was that there is lack of civility in discourse. What's the point of interrupting another speaker? Let every speaker speak their mind, in an orderly manner, without interruption. The problem is that some groups have defined "intolerance of intolerance" to be somewhat good, so then discourse stops.
    - bilbo0s 9y ago
      Freedom of Speech, does not imply ORDERLY speech. If a bunch of Americans want to yell at each other, they're free to do so. That's what the First Amendment is all about. And that's what I think you guys all don't understand. The government doesn't have to give you pristine conditions under which you can speak, they just have to let you speak. Unfortunately... they have to let everyone else speak too. At the same time if those people choose. That's what freedom is all about. That's why America is great.