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At what point did she wrongfully decide YouTube owed her anything?

sigotirandolas 9y ago
If she were to be working for an employer in an EU country, it would be illegal to just fire him person from a job without compensation. The situation is different (AFAIK she lives in the US which has far fewer job protection policies, and earning a living through YouTube doesn’t count as an employer-employee relation), but there are analogies. Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber.
- pmarreck 9y ago
  > Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber. And unless this information is somehow hidden from anyone who consensually enters into a relationship with YouTube, this is not really a good point
  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    The rules of the algo which flag, hide, and demonetize videos are hidden.
    - pmarreck 9y ago
      Would it be valuable if these rules were open-source?
written 9y ago
Tech companies realize they owe a lot to their users. They owe them their entire existence, I'd say. It's quite obvious from their behavior and the fact they try to attract and hoard user attention. Users are valuable in general. It's not like it's one way transfer of value from companies to users. So why your rhetorical question?
- pmarreck 9y ago
  Because if YouTube decided to hoard all ad revenue as of tomorrow (putting aside for a minute how bad of a long-term business decision that would be), that would still not be a valid reason to shoot up the HQ.
  - written 9y ago
    I'm just saying that YouTube and likes of it would be nothing without producers of content, big and small. It's a mutual relationship. Both owe each other their business. It's orthogonal question to the effectiveness of going somewhere and shooting some people.
- fixermark 9y ago
  If she took 100% of her business, content, and pageviews away from YouTube, would YT even notice? If not, why does YT owe her anything?
fudged71 9y ago
The moment YouTube started paying her for content?
- pmarreck 9y ago
  And if they suddenly stopped paying anyone and just hoarded all the ad revenue, would they be subject to lawsuits? Why does anyone think that what pays today must by definition also pay tomorrow, or else some grave ethical transgression has occurred? Job security is an illusion (or a gross inefficiency, choose one)

If she were to be working for an employer in an EU country, it would be illegal to just fire him person from a job without compensation. The situation is different (AFAIK she lives in the US which has far fewer job protection policies, and earning a living through YouTube doesn’t count as an employer-employee relation), but there are analogies. Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber.

pmarreck 9y ago
> Few countries and jobs have so little job security as being a YouTuber. And unless this information is somehow hidden from anyone who consensually enters into a relationship with YouTube, this is not really a good point
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  The rules of the algo which flag, hide, and demonetize videos are hidden.
  - pmarreck 9y ago
    Would it be valuable if these rules were open-source?

written 9y ago

Tech companies realize they owe a lot to their users. They owe them their entire existence, I'd say. It's quite obvious from their behavior and the fact they try to attract and hoard user attention. Users are valuable in general. It's not like it's one way transfer of value from companies to users. So why your rhetorical question?

pmarreck 9y ago
Because if YouTube decided to hoard all ad revenue as of tomorrow (putting aside for a minute how bad of a long-term business decision that would be), that would still not be a valid reason to shoot up the HQ.
- written 9y ago
  I'm just saying that YouTube and likes of it would be nothing without producers of content, big and small. It's a mutual relationship. Both owe each other their business. It's orthogonal question to the effectiveness of going somewhere and shooting some people.
fixermark 9y ago
If she took 100% of her business, content, and pageviews away from YouTube, would YT even notice? If not, why does YT owe her anything?

fudged71 9y ago

The moment YouTube started paying her for content?

pmarreck 9y ago
And if they suddenly stopped paying anyone and just hoarded all the ad revenue, would they be subject to lawsuits? Why does anyone think that what pays today must by definition also pay tomorrow, or else some grave ethical transgression has occurred? Job security is an illusion (or a gross inefficiency, choose one)