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This passes for discourse on HN nowadays? Maybe it’s time to ditch this place as well.

apexalpha 9y ago
No one should or does approve this kind of violence. Or any violence really. But it does show the impact that YouTubes rules can have on someone's livelihood. For us such a change in the algorithm is something we read about and forget. For someone else they might lose their income. For this one person resorting to violence, there are probably thousands that were financially destroyed by Youtubes rigorous change in algorithm and demonetization.
- Gigablah 9y ago
  I wonder what prompted these changes in the first place.
  - apexalpha 9y ago
    A few months or a year ago Youtube was accused of 'sponsoring' alt-right vloggers who played a role in domestic US politics. These people uploaded videos to Youtube and got paid based on the views. Just like everyone really. But mainstream media kept blaming Youtube for enabling these videos. Even though they practically enable everyone as a neutral platform. So advertisers started to pull out of Youtube in general over this and Youtube went all out and reformed the entire global website to a 'better safe than sorry' policy. Removing anything even resembling 'undesirable content'. This caused a lot of what Americans would call 'collateral damage'.
    - swiley 9y ago
      This wasn't just right wing vlogers, the spread of ISIS is at least partially attributed to their videos posted to youtube. A few years ago when there was a research project on censoring them everyone said this would happen, it's a shame that it involved people getting shot.
- krapp 9y ago
  >For this one person resorting to violence, there are probably thousands that were financially destroyed by Youtubes rigorous change in algorithm and demonetization. Yes, this isn't even the first time changes to Youtube's algorithm or policies have affected the livelihoods of people on the site, or destroyed the viability of entire genres of content (see rubberross' video on animation for instance[0].) But Youtube is in business for Google, as are the users, whether they're aware of it or not. They exist to generate content that drives ad revenue for Google, and they're not owed a livelihood in exchange for that. And the answer is to either change the content you provide to whatever the algorithm sorts for, which many have, or else find another job. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6FcI2wFrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6FcI2wFrw

No one should or does approve this kind of violence. Or any violence really. But it does show the impact that YouTubes rules can have on someone's livelihood. For us such a change in the algorithm is something we read about and forget. For someone else they might lose their income. For this one person resorting to violence, there are probably thousands that were financially destroyed by Youtubes rigorous change in algorithm and demonetization.

Gigablah 9y ago
I wonder what prompted these changes in the first place.
- apexalpha 9y ago
  A few months or a year ago Youtube was accused of 'sponsoring' alt-right vloggers who played a role in domestic US politics. These people uploaded videos to Youtube and got paid based on the views. Just like everyone really. But mainstream media kept blaming Youtube for enabling these videos. Even though they practically enable everyone as a neutral platform. So advertisers started to pull out of Youtube in general over this and Youtube went all out and reformed the entire global website to a 'better safe than sorry' policy. Removing anything even resembling 'undesirable content'. This caused a lot of what Americans would call 'collateral damage'.
  - swiley 9y ago
    This wasn't just right wing vlogers, the spread of ISIS is at least partially attributed to their videos posted to youtube. A few years ago when there was a research project on censoring them everyone said this would happen, it's a shame that it involved people getting shot.
krapp 9y ago
>For this one person resorting to violence, there are probably thousands that were financially destroyed by Youtubes rigorous change in algorithm and demonetization. Yes, this isn't even the first time changes to Youtube's algorithm or policies have affected the livelihoods of people on the site, or destroyed the viability of entire genres of content (see rubberross' video on animation for instance[0].) But Youtube is in business for Google, as are the users, whether they're aware of it or not. They exist to generate content that drives ad revenue for Google, and they're not owed a livelihood in exchange for that. And the answer is to either change the content you provide to whatever the algorithm sorts for, which many have, or else find another job. [0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6FcI2wFrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6FcI2wFrw