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Yes, that's why I recommended modern clients in the original message, they work well and are maintained. I wouldn't say the support on servers is poor if you ru

by Boulth 9y ago

Yes, that's why I recommended modern clients in the original message, they work well and are maintained. I wouldn't say the support on servers is poor if you run your own, two most popular servers (Prosody and ejabberd) support modern XEP suite after enabling modules. For third party one can check here: https://conversations.im/compliance/ https://conversations.im/compliance/

madez 9y ago
I just read something that makes me rather angry. For ejabberd, message reliability is a premium feature that is not supported in the free version. The fuck? https://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/protocols/ https://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/protocols/
- Boulth 9y ago
  If you're referring to the table at the bottom I believe they just want to sway people into buying Business Edition with that. When you compare actual XEPs needed [0] for good mobile and desktop multi device service then Community supports them too! (except one: roster versioning but that matters if you have hundreds of contacts). [0]: https://github.com/siacs/Conversations#xmpp-features https://github.com/siacs/Conversations#xmpp-features
  - madez 9y ago
    I do experience message loss, and there is that table. So, I don't think there is much room for interpretation.
    - Boulth 9y ago
      Does your server pass this test https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester ? Did you try conversations.im server that is known good for comparison?
      - madez 9y ago
        I just ran the tester. The default ejabberd configuration in Debian Testing fails: Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server Core Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED passed 2/2 Advanced Server Core Compliance Suite: PASSED Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server IM Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running Roster Versioning… PASSED running XEP-0280: Message Carbons… PASSED running XEP-0191: Blocking Command… PASSED running XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management… FAILED passed 7/8 Advanced Server IM Compliance Suite: FAILED Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server Mobile Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0352: Client State Indication… PASSED running XEP-0357: Push Notifications… PASSED passed 5/5 Advanced Server Mobile Compliance Suite: PASSED Use compliance suite 'Conversations Compliance Suite' to test server.tld Server is ejabberd 18.01 running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running Roster Versioning… PASSED running XEP-0280: Message Carbons… PASSED running XEP-0191: Blocking Command… PASSED running XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management… FAILED running XEP-0352: Client State Indication… PASSED running XEP-0363: HTTP File Upload… FAILED running XEP-0065: SOCKS5 Bytestreams (Proxy)… PASSED running XEP-0357: Push Notifications… PASSED running XEP-0368: SRV records for XMPP over TLS… FAILED running XEP-0384: OMEMO Encryption… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management (MUC)… FAILED passed 11/15 Conversations Compliance Suite: FAILED My point is not whether ejabberd supports the needed XEP's. What matters is if they are enabled and properly configured by default.
        Boulth 9y ago
        You were arguing before that reliability is a premium feature while the table shows that XEP-0313 is available for free edition, and that's what holds your messages while you are away. As for the configuration yes, it would be nice if it came pre-configured with modern suite, but it doesn't. It still can be configured and as far as I can see from the tester the effort is not that high.

by Boulth 9y ago

madez 9y ago

I just read something that makes me rather angry. For ejabberd, message reliability is a premium feature that is not supported in the free version. The fuck? https://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/protocols/ https://www.process-one.net/en/ejabberd/protocols/

Boulth 9y ago
If you're referring to the table at the bottom I believe they just want to sway people into buying Business Edition with that. When you compare actual XEPs needed [0] for good mobile and desktop multi device service then Community supports them too! (except one: roster versioning but that matters if you have hundreds of contacts). [0]: https://github.com/siacs/Conversations#xmpp-features https://github.com/siacs/Conversations#xmpp-features
- madez 9y ago
  I do experience message loss, and there is that table. So, I don't think there is much room for interpretation.
  - Boulth 9y ago
    Does your server pass this test https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester https://github.com/iNPUTmice/ComplianceTester ? Did you try conversations.im server that is known good for comparison?
    - madez 9y ago
      I just ran the tester. The default ejabberd configuration in Debian Testing fails: Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server Core Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED passed 2/2 Advanced Server Core Compliance Suite: PASSED Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server IM Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running Roster Versioning… PASSED running XEP-0280: Message Carbons… PASSED running XEP-0191: Blocking Command… PASSED running XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management… FAILED passed 7/8 Advanced Server IM Compliance Suite: FAILED Use compliance suite 'Advanced Server Mobile Compliance Suite' to test server.tld running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0352: Client State Indication… PASSED running XEP-0357: Push Notifications… PASSED passed 5/5 Advanced Server Mobile Compliance Suite: PASSED Use compliance suite 'Conversations Compliance Suite' to test server.tld Server is ejabberd 18.01 running XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities… PASSED running XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol… PASSED running Roster Versioning… PASSED running XEP-0280: Message Carbons… PASSED running XEP-0191: Blocking Command… PASSED running XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat… PASSED running XEP-0198: Stream Management… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management… FAILED running XEP-0352: Client State Indication… PASSED running XEP-0363: HTTP File Upload… FAILED running XEP-0065: SOCKS5 Bytestreams (Proxy)… PASSED running XEP-0357: Push Notifications… PASSED running XEP-0368: SRV records for XMPP over TLS… FAILED running XEP-0384: OMEMO Encryption… PASSED running XEP-0313: Message Archive Management (MUC)… FAILED passed 11/15 Conversations Compliance Suite: FAILED My point is not whether ejabberd supports the needed XEP's. What matters is if they are enabled and properly configured by default.
      - Boulth 9y ago
        You were arguing before that reliability is a premium feature while the table shows that XEP-0313 is available for free edition, and that's what holds your messages while you are away. As for the configuration yes, it would be nice if it came pre-configured with modern suite, but it doesn't. It still can be configured and as far as I can see from the tester the effort is not that high.