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>On the other hand, I have been hearing a lot about YouTube demonitization, censorship, etc. Should this shooting be a part of the discussion about censorship?

>On the other hand, I have been hearing a lot about YouTube demonitization, censorship, etc. Should this shooting be a part of the discussion about censorship? Should YouTube and the tech community let it affect the discourse around censorship? I think the answer to this is clearly no. I feel like people here feel very strongly about censorship, so maybe they'll disagree. But I think we need to get a bit of perspective here. She attempted to kill people to get what she wanted.

Density 9y ago
Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with blood of tyrants. Sorry you can't see yourself as such.
- adrianN 9y ago
  I don't think random people working at Youtube are tyrants.
  - fyi1183 9y ago
    They're clearly not. At the same time, they may be propping up a tyrannical system. "Just following orders" is not a solid argument for your morality. It's clearly a complicated mess. My personal hope is that we eventually learn the lesson that sufficiently influential social networks need to be subject to democratic oversight and a transparent judicial system. That will likely make them more expensive to run, but that's a price we have to pay for three sanity of our society.
  - ethanwillis 9y ago
    No, they just enable them.
  - BRAlNlAC 9y ago
    You only say that because your livelihood hasn't been ripped away from you by an algorithm.
- Bukhmanizer 9y ago
  I can't tell if you're joking, but if not, this might be the stupidest thing I've read on this site.
  - cinquemb 9y ago
    The exact quote by Thomas Jefferson was: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."[0][1] Though, if the hired guns that enforce and enable their corporate/cultural owners, to silent the voices of societies dissenters and the marginal in various forms, cannot see the roles they play (albeit, indirectly at times, perhaps blinded by their own incentives, maybe this is the lethargy Jefferson talked about), then I will not be surprised to see things to continue to escalate. Plenty of soft targets abound that corporate and cultural owners rely on for dominating the public for their own ends. [0] https://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074 https://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074 [1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-the-quote-the-tree-of-liberty-must-be-watered?share=1 https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-the-quote-t...
wu-ikkyu 9y ago
Should people's motives not be inspected simply because they were willing to kill over them? Following that maxim would give us an infantile understanding of human history.

Density 9y ago

Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with blood of tyrants. Sorry you can't see yourself as such.

adrianN 9y ago
I don't think random people working at Youtube are tyrants.
- fyi1183 9y ago
  They're clearly not. At the same time, they may be propping up a tyrannical system. "Just following orders" is not a solid argument for your morality. It's clearly a complicated mess. My personal hope is that we eventually learn the lesson that sufficiently influential social networks need to be subject to democratic oversight and a transparent judicial system. That will likely make them more expensive to run, but that's a price we have to pay for three sanity of our society.
- ethanwillis 9y ago
  No, they just enable them.
- BRAlNlAC 9y ago
  You only say that because your livelihood hasn't been ripped away from you by an algorithm.
Bukhmanizer 9y ago
I can't tell if you're joking, but if not, this might be the stupidest thing I've read on this site.
- cinquemb 9y ago
  The exact quote by Thomas Jefferson was: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."[0][1] Though, if the hired guns that enforce and enable their corporate/cultural owners, to silent the voices of societies dissenters and the marginal in various forms, cannot see the roles they play (albeit, indirectly at times, perhaps blinded by their own incentives, maybe this is the lethargy Jefferson talked about), then I will not be surprised to see things to continue to escalate. Plenty of soft targets abound that corporate and cultural owners rely on for dominating the public for their own ends. [0] https://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074 https://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2074 [1] https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-the-quote-the-tree-of-liberty-must-be-watered?share=1 https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-meaning-behind-the-quote-t...

wu-ikkyu 9y ago

Should people's motives not be inspected simply because they were willing to kill over them? Following that maxim would give us an infantile understanding of human history.