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> She should have did affiliate marketing This is the modern version of "as seen on TV" ads, I've started unsubscribing to anyone that does it regularly. Adver

by flukus 9y ago

> She should have did affiliate marketing This is the modern version of "as seen on TV" ads, I've started unsubscribing to anyone that does it regularly. Advertising intermixed with content is the worst form of advertising.

KozmoNau7 9y ago
The only channel I follow that does it regularly is Spectre Sound Studios, and I accept it because the services Glenn pimps are actually really damn good. And he makes it very clear that it's a paid interlude, not part of the actual content.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >And he makes it very clear that it's a paid interlude, not part of the actual content. I have to say that with the content creators I follow, that is the norm rather than the exception. There is always a clear delineation between advertisement and the content, even if the advertisement is embedded in the content (i.e native advertising).
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    Much more acceptable and less jarring that having Red Lobster or Taco Bell scream at me for 5 seconds before a relaxing music video.
mayniac 9y ago
Some channels do it acceptably. CGP Grey comes to mind, usually an ad for a service at the end of the video the advertiser has effectively funded. It's far worse when people do it without saying, ie product placement. Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, although the obvious blatant example would be any of the Jenner's on Instagram which got into issues for not reporting paid endorsements IIRC.
- petercooper 9y ago
  Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, Well, that's the thing. I can think of a good few respected tech sites that run "sponsored" articles that are disclosed in the smallest text possible and basically look like normal content. Not that I'm going to start industry beef by pointing them out :-D
  - ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
    This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana, I could even put writing an adequate reply to your comment as a task, so that I wouldn't forget, and I could make sure it got done. But again. I don't even have Asana, so that won't be happening. https://asana.com/ https://asana.com/ (Move your work forward) Edit: I'm not complaining, I'm genuinely curious about the downvotes. People understand this is a joke right? Is it just not funny to you?
    - macintux 9y ago
      HN seems to discourage jokes, although I don't see it explicitly in the guidelines. Jokes in the context of people dying probably are even less well-received.
      - ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
        Ahhh... Thank you, that seems obvious in hindsight. My lack of social awareness/empathy strikes again!
        purple-again 9y ago
        Inquiry, recognition, and then correction of behavior. If something is ‘wrong’ with you, you should hold on to it for dear life because you just demonstrated one of the hardest things for an adult to do. Personal growth.
macspoofing 9y ago
People need to eat.
- coldtea 9y ago
  Last time I checked, jobs from lawyers and doctors to gravediggers and street sweepers are still there. Nobody was promised to be a YouTube icon.
  - macspoofing 9y ago
    >Nobody was promised to be a YouTube icon. That's right, but if you're going to try to make a living creating content, you have to be able to provide for yourself. Outside of advertising, there aren't that many options for generating income - and most of the time, you have to do all of them (adverts, patreon, live appearances, swag sales, etc.) to make a living because individually they aren't enough. And this is what 'hustle' looks like in this space. There is something off-putting about expecting some of those guys to devote hundreds of hours creating their content and then criticizing them because it's not free enough. High quality content is hard and requires talent, equipment, time and money to do.
    - root_axis 9y ago
      > There is something off-putting about expecting some of those guys to devote hundreds of hours creating their content and then criticizing them because it's not free enough I don't think this is "expected" of anyone. "YouTube creator" is not a career, it's a glorified hobby that can sometimes be lucrative, most of us wish we had the time and financial freedom to mess around with our hobbies and get paid for it but at the end of the day this is a fickle dream that one cannot reasonably expect to work out.
apcragg 9y ago
But why? I understand that the content creators whose videos I enjoy need to earn a living. I understand that in video advertisements offer more stable income. I'm not expecting a free lunch when it comes to these videos that require lots of time, money, and skills. Sure, people used to make and still do make videos out of a passion for the subject but there is far more content now than there used to be. Some creators use Patreon, and I support the ones I really like using that platform but I can't do that for everyone. I think listening to an ad for a VPN service or for the new Intel products is reasonable to access the content I'm not otherwise paying for.
ensignro2340 9y ago
Advertising intermixed with content is also the only type of advertising YouTubers actually have control of. It may be annoying or inconvenient but it's a hell of a lot better than them complaining about the site that hosts their content not doing the work for them.

by flukus 9y ago

KozmoNau7 9y ago

The only channel I follow that does it regularly is Spectre Sound Studios, and I accept it because the services Glenn pimps are actually really damn good. And he makes it very clear that it's a paid interlude, not part of the actual content.

macspoofing 9y ago
>And he makes it very clear that it's a paid interlude, not part of the actual content. I have to say that with the content creators I follow, that is the norm rather than the exception. There is always a clear delineation between advertisement and the content, even if the advertisement is embedded in the content (i.e native advertising).
- ryandrake 9y ago
  Much more acceptable and less jarring that having Red Lobster or Taco Bell scream at me for 5 seconds before a relaxing music video.

mayniac 9y ago

Some channels do it acceptably. CGP Grey comes to mind, usually an ad for a service at the end of the video the advertiser has effectively funded. It's far worse when people do it without saying, ie product placement. Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, although the obvious blatant example would be any of the Jenner's on Instagram which got into issues for not reporting paid endorsements IIRC.

petercooper 9y ago
Can't think of any good examples since people usually get away with it, Well, that's the thing. I can think of a good few respected tech sites that run "sponsored" articles that are disclosed in the smallest text possible and basically look like normal content. Not that I'm going to start industry beef by pointing them out :-D
- ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
  This literally never happens, and you are completely wrong. I would explain how totally wrong your are more... but I don't have enough time in my day to make the full commitment this comment should require. I would have more time in my day if I was better organized, or kept my tasks in a program like Asana. But alas, I haven't even signed up for the free trial, because i have so little time. If I actually had Asana, I could even put writing an adequate reply to your comment as a task, so that I wouldn't forget, and I could make sure it got done. But again. I don't even have Asana, so that won't be happening. https://asana.com/ https://asana.com/ (Move your work forward) Edit: I'm not complaining, I'm genuinely curious about the downvotes. People understand this is a joke right? Is it just not funny to you?
  - macintux 9y ago
    HN seems to discourage jokes, although I don't see it explicitly in the guidelines. Jokes in the context of people dying probably are even less well-received.
    - ghostbrainalpha 9y ago
      Ahhh... Thank you, that seems obvious in hindsight. My lack of social awareness/empathy strikes again!
      - purple-again 9y ago
        Inquiry, recognition, and then correction of behavior. If something is ‘wrong’ with you, you should hold on to it for dear life because you just demonstrated one of the hardest things for an adult to do. Personal growth.

macspoofing 9y ago

People need to eat.

coldtea 9y ago
Last time I checked, jobs from lawyers and doctors to gravediggers and street sweepers are still there. Nobody was promised to be a YouTube icon.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >Nobody was promised to be a YouTube icon. That's right, but if you're going to try to make a living creating content, you have to be able to provide for yourself. Outside of advertising, there aren't that many options for generating income - and most of the time, you have to do all of them (adverts, patreon, live appearances, swag sales, etc.) to make a living because individually they aren't enough. And this is what 'hustle' looks like in this space. There is something off-putting about expecting some of those guys to devote hundreds of hours creating their content and then criticizing them because it's not free enough. High quality content is hard and requires talent, equipment, time and money to do.
  - root_axis 9y ago
    > There is something off-putting about expecting some of those guys to devote hundreds of hours creating their content and then criticizing them because it's not free enough I don't think this is "expected" of anyone. "YouTube creator" is not a career, it's a glorified hobby that can sometimes be lucrative, most of us wish we had the time and financial freedom to mess around with our hobbies and get paid for it but at the end of the day this is a fickle dream that one cannot reasonably expect to work out.

apcragg 9y ago

But why? I understand that the content creators whose videos I enjoy need to earn a living. I understand that in video advertisements offer more stable income. I'm not expecting a free lunch when it comes to these videos that require lots of time, money, and skills. Sure, people used to make and still do make videos out of a passion for the subject but there is far more content now than there used to be. Some creators use Patreon, and I support the ones I really like using that platform but I can't do that for everyone. I think listening to an ad for a VPN service or for the new Intel products is reasonable to access the content I'm not otherwise paying for.

ensignro2340 9y ago

Advertising intermixed with content is also the only type of advertising YouTubers actually have control of. It may be annoying or inconvenient but it's a hell of a lot better than them complaining about the site that hosts their content not doing the work for them.