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It's a pity that Google terminated those accounts - I don't know what scrutiny scares them. As for the lady, she seems to genuinely believe in veganism and fit

It's a pity that Google terminated those accounts - I don't know what scrutiny scares them. As for the lady, she seems to genuinely believe in veganism and fitness. Whatever weird things she did to propagate that seemed to be working (330K views?!!). Why she resorted to gun violence is much awaited.

verroq 9y ago
>Why she resorted to gun violence is much awaited Because from a game theoretic POV it creates the biggest impact. The media cycle will after every shooting will surely keep her message in the spotlight for weeks to come.
chapill 9y ago
Here's her last video. One youtube doesn't want you to see evidently, https://www.freedomsafespace.com/m/videos/view/YouTube-Shooter-s-Message https://www.freedomsafespace.com/m/videos/view/YouTube-Shoot... She seems really upset.
- DrScump 9y ago
  Relevant quote: "People like me are not good for big businesses."
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  "people like nicki minaj, miley, many others who have sensual things so inappropriate for children to watch, don't get age restricted. But videos, my workout videos, get age restricted." Very valid points. Has coherent thoughts, and from her videos doesn't appear to be mentally crazy.
  - subpixel 9y ago
    > from her videos doesn't appear to be mentally crazy I strongly disagree.
    - ryandrake 9y ago
      It’s almost as if mental illness is a complex medical diagnosis that few HN commenters are qualified to make...
      - subpixel 9y ago
        We're obviously thinking about this in light of the fact that she just went on an attempted killing spree. I can see how that might prejudice our thinking. But I personally have had quite a bit of experience interacting with mentally-ill individuals both as a volunteer and through visiting family members who are in institutional care. I am in no position to diagnose anyone, but I'd be very surprised if it does not come out that this woman had long-standing mental issues for which she refused any intervention or treatment.
- noobermin 9y ago
  Why the downvotes? This is valuable to the news report as it is a primary source for the rant.
Shank 9y ago
> I don't know what scrutiny scares them To be fair, YouTube/Google just had an active shooter on their campus. If there's anything that justifies terminating someone's account, it would be opening fire on the company directly and injuring people.
- komali2 9y ago
  You made me scroll through the youtube TOS to see if that was considered a violation. As far as I can tell it's technically not... in fact, I can't even find a blanket "YouTube reserves the right to remove any content, for any reason, whatsoever" statement. They don't actually need to state that in the TOS, because they do have that right, but, still.
  - Shank 9y ago
    You made me scroll through the TOS again and triple check. Indeed, there is no clause for wholesale termination, but they do require you to follow the community guidelines. Those guidelines do say that you can't promote violence -- and while committing an act of violence isn't necessarily promotion, it could be interpreted as such. Still interesting to see that there's no blanket termination policy, though. I stand thoroughly corrected.
  - declan 9y ago
    Section 4(J): "YouTube reserves the right to discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time." Section 6(F): "YouTube reserves the right to remove Content without prior notice." https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
    - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
      That's indeed quite telling about the TOS nowadays: two people from HN double/triple checked the TOS to find a simple statement and couldn't find it. Yet, it's there.
      - 9y ago
Nuzzerino 9y ago
> Why she resorted to gun violence is much awaited. My theory is this: I went through some of her past images. One of them showed a picture of a dog that was being mutilated (alive). She states that dogs in China are skinned alive because they believe that it makes the meat taste better. Well, that is going to invoke strong feelings, especially if that's part of your core cause (to expose the mistreatment of animals to the world). When YouTube censors that, they might as well be part of the problem, from her perspective.
- bitumen 9y ago
  For her personal site: BE AWARE! Dictatorship exists in all countries but with different tactics! They only care for personal short term profits & do anything to reach their goals even by fooling simple-minded people, hiding the truth, manipulating science & everything, putting public mental & physical health at risk, abusing non-human animals, polluting environment, destroying family values, promoting materialism & sexual degeneration in the name of freedom,..... & turning people into programmed robots! "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it" Adolf Hitler... There is no free speech in real world & you will be suppressed for telling the truth that is not supported by the system. Videos of targeted users are filtered & merely relegated, so that people can hardly see their videos! Yeah I think you’re onto something. I’m also sure that pictures of animals a lot of people in Youtube’s major markets see as pets being mutilated, generated scads of complaints. When you’re dealing with many millions of people, it is not unusual to respond to large concentrations of complaints. We should probably talk more about how thst works, and how it sometimes allows for careless or bad actors to silence people. Still, it’s understandable in a context other than attempting to be a censor, and just acting like a business. She comes across as angry and rigid in her views, but that describes quite a lot of people. Still, if someone “knows” something and is very angry, it can be hard to reach them.
- icantdrive55 9y ago
  I didn't watch that animal abuse video. I am appalled at the way Chinese treat animals. (Yes--I said it. And I don't need a lecture how Americans are hypocrites. It's Apples and Oranges. It time we call everone out that tortures animals.)
danso 9y ago
> It's a pity that Google terminated those accounts - I don't know what scrutiny scares them. Because they don't want to encourage people to gawk at the death spectacle? This includes all the times a suicidal killer leaves behind a manifesto that could serve to inspire copycat killers.
- adsgjlnionio 9y ago
  Google can censor someone as effectively as any government. This is, in effect, the same as the government banning a book. It's not something I'm ever comfortable with, and I'm especially uncomfortable with it when it's an unaccountable company in charge.
  - root_axis 9y ago
    > Google can censor someone as effectively as any government How so?
- akamaka 9y ago
  The Elliot Rodgers videos are still up on YouTube, though. On the balance, it’s probably more helpful to allow people to understand what led up to these events rather than suppressing the shooter’s words for the sake of some theoretical safety benefit.
  - zimpenfish 9y ago
    > On the balance, it’s probably more helpful [] Although this is negated by the strong positive correlation between media coverage of a shooting and an uptick in following shootings (which I'd suggest is more than "some theoretical safety benefit".) cf http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion.aspx http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagi...
    - baud147258 9y ago
      I've heard it's the same for suicide, with even the same way of suicide used in the subsequent suicides.
Theodores 9y ago
I have never met her but my guess is that she is orthorexic with a narcissism disorder and few friends. Maybe many thousands of 'Facebook friends' which is no replacement for family and a small handful of real friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa 'Orthorexia' masquerades as veganism but is not the same thing.
- twentyspot 9y ago
  Dude, she is very obviously schizophrenic. This is as schizophrenic as any human gets. She’s on the level of Wesley Willis of Crazy Gail.
  - spacehome 9y ago
    It's not obvious to me. Could you say what you see in her?
    - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
      Often times when someone commits an act of violence against powerful institutions in society they are automatically labeled insane/schizophrenic. It helps to shield the institution from any criticism and keeps the individual's motives from being closely inspected. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents were often labeled as schizophrenics and locked up.
      - spacehome 9y ago
        That's kinda what I thought, but I figured I'd give twenty spot the opportunity to say what the signs are. I've not spent a lot of time around schizophrenics, so I wouldn't know what to look for. I have, however, spent a lot of time around Aspies and would have a gut feeling for that after watching for an hour, so it doesn't seem implausible to me that he sees something I don't.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  I've never heard of othorexia until today. Funny that in a country with an obesity epidemic whose number one killer is heart disease that obsessing about eating healthy food is considered a mental illness.
taneq 9y ago
If they left it up, it would get millions of hits due to the media coverage and associated buzz. They can't let her create a precedent where "1. Film an angry rant, 2. Shoot up YouTube HQ" is seen as a guaranteed way to reach large numbers of people with your message.
- ethanwillis 9y ago
  Not saying it's right but using violence to spread a message has been a precedent since oh I don't know.. virtually forever?

verroq 9y ago

>Why she resorted to gun violence is much awaited Because from a game theoretic POV it creates the biggest impact. The media cycle will after every shooting will surely keep her message in the spotlight for weeks to come.

chapill 9y ago

Here's her last video. One youtube doesn't want you to see evidently, https://www.freedomsafespace.com/m/videos/view/YouTube-Shooter-s-Message https://www.freedomsafespace.com/m/videos/view/YouTube-Shoot... She seems really upset.

DrScump 9y ago
Relevant quote: "People like me are not good for big businesses."
em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
"people like nicki minaj, miley, many others who have sensual things so inappropriate for children to watch, don't get age restricted. But videos, my workout videos, get age restricted." Very valid points. Has coherent thoughts, and from her videos doesn't appear to be mentally crazy.
- subpixel 9y ago
  > from her videos doesn't appear to be mentally crazy I strongly disagree.
  - ryandrake 9y ago
    It’s almost as if mental illness is a complex medical diagnosis that few HN commenters are qualified to make...
    - subpixel 9y ago
      We're obviously thinking about this in light of the fact that she just went on an attempted killing spree. I can see how that might prejudice our thinking. But I personally have had quite a bit of experience interacting with mentally-ill individuals both as a volunteer and through visiting family members who are in institutional care. I am in no position to diagnose anyone, but I'd be very surprised if it does not come out that this woman had long-standing mental issues for which she refused any intervention or treatment.
noobermin 9y ago
Why the downvotes? This is valuable to the news report as it is a primary source for the rant.

Shank 9y ago

> I don't know what scrutiny scares them To be fair, YouTube/Google just had an active shooter on their campus. If there's anything that justifies terminating someone's account, it would be opening fire on the company directly and injuring people.

komali2 9y ago
You made me scroll through the youtube TOS to see if that was considered a violation. As far as I can tell it's technically not... in fact, I can't even find a blanket "YouTube reserves the right to remove any content, for any reason, whatsoever" statement. They don't actually need to state that in the TOS, because they do have that right, but, still.
- Shank 9y ago
  You made me scroll through the TOS again and triple check. Indeed, there is no clause for wholesale termination, but they do require you to follow the community guidelines. Those guidelines do say that you can't promote violence -- and while committing an act of violence isn't necessarily promotion, it could be interpreted as such. Still interesting to see that there's no blanket termination policy, though. I stand thoroughly corrected.
- declan 9y ago
  Section 4(J): "YouTube reserves the right to discontinue any aspect of the Service at any time." Section 6(F): "YouTube reserves the right to remove Content without prior notice." https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms https://www.youtube.com/static?template=terms
  - dvfjsdhgfv 9y ago
    That's indeed quite telling about the TOS nowadays: two people from HN double/triple checked the TOS to find a simple statement and couldn't find it. Yet, it's there.
    - 9y ago

Nuzzerino 9y ago

> Why she resorted to gun violence is much awaited. My theory is this: I went through some of her past images. One of them showed a picture of a dog that was being mutilated (alive). She states that dogs in China are skinned alive because they believe that it makes the meat taste better. Well, that is going to invoke strong feelings, especially if that's part of your core cause (to expose the mistreatment of animals to the world). When YouTube censors that, they might as well be part of the problem, from her perspective.

bitumen 9y ago
For her personal site: BE AWARE! Dictatorship exists in all countries but with different tactics! They only care for personal short term profits & do anything to reach their goals even by fooling simple-minded people, hiding the truth, manipulating science & everything, putting public mental & physical health at risk, abusing non-human animals, polluting environment, destroying family values, promoting materialism & sexual degeneration in the name of freedom,..... & turning people into programmed robots! "Make the lie big, Make it simple, Keep saying it, And eventually they will believe it" Adolf Hitler... There is no free speech in real world & you will be suppressed for telling the truth that is not supported by the system. Videos of targeted users are filtered & merely relegated, so that people can hardly see their videos! Yeah I think you’re onto something. I’m also sure that pictures of animals a lot of people in Youtube’s major markets see as pets being mutilated, generated scads of complaints. When you’re dealing with many millions of people, it is not unusual to respond to large concentrations of complaints. We should probably talk more about how thst works, and how it sometimes allows for careless or bad actors to silence people. Still, it’s understandable in a context other than attempting to be a censor, and just acting like a business. She comes across as angry and rigid in her views, but that describes quite a lot of people. Still, if someone “knows” something and is very angry, it can be hard to reach them.
icantdrive55 9y ago
I didn't watch that animal abuse video. I am appalled at the way Chinese treat animals. (Yes--I said it. And I don't need a lecture how Americans are hypocrites. It's Apples and Oranges. It time we call everone out that tortures animals.)

danso 9y ago

> It's a pity that Google terminated those accounts - I don't know what scrutiny scares them. Because they don't want to encourage people to gawk at the death spectacle? This includes all the times a suicidal killer leaves behind a manifesto that could serve to inspire copycat killers.

adsgjlnionio 9y ago
Google can censor someone as effectively as any government. This is, in effect, the same as the government banning a book. It's not something I'm ever comfortable with, and I'm especially uncomfortable with it when it's an unaccountable company in charge.
- root_axis 9y ago
  > Google can censor someone as effectively as any government How so?
akamaka 9y ago
The Elliot Rodgers videos are still up on YouTube, though. On the balance, it’s probably more helpful to allow people to understand what led up to these events rather than suppressing the shooter’s words for the sake of some theoretical safety benefit.
- zimpenfish 9y ago
  > On the balance, it’s probably more helpful [] Although this is negated by the strong positive correlation between media coverage of a shooting and an uptick in following shootings (which I'd suggest is more than "some theoretical safety benefit".) cf http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagion.aspx http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2016/08/media-contagi...
  - baud147258 9y ago
    I've heard it's the same for suicide, with even the same way of suicide used in the subsequent suicides.

Theodores 9y ago

I have never met her but my guess is that she is orthorexic with a narcissism disorder and few friends. Maybe many thousands of 'Facebook friends' which is no replacement for family and a small handful of real friends. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthorexia_nervosa 'Orthorexia' masquerades as veganism but is not the same thing.

twentyspot 9y ago
Dude, she is very obviously schizophrenic. This is as schizophrenic as any human gets. She’s on the level of Wesley Willis of Crazy Gail.
- spacehome 9y ago
  It's not obvious to me. Could you say what you see in her?
  - wu-ikkyu 9y ago
    Often times when someone commits an act of violence against powerful institutions in society they are automatically labeled insane/schizophrenic. It helps to shield the institution from any criticism and keeps the individual's motives from being closely inspected. In the Soviet Union, political dissidents were often labeled as schizophrenics and locked up.
    - spacehome 9y ago
      That's kinda what I thought, but I figured I'd give twenty spot the opportunity to say what the signs are. I've not spent a lot of time around schizophrenics, so I wouldn't know what to look for. I have, however, spent a lot of time around Aspies and would have a gut feeling for that after watching for an hour, so it doesn't seem implausible to me that he sees something I don't.
wu-ikkyu 9y ago
I've never heard of othorexia until today. Funny that in a country with an obesity epidemic whose number one killer is heart disease that obsessing about eating healthy food is considered a mental illness.

taneq 9y ago

If they left it up, it would get millions of hits due to the media coverage and associated buzz. They can't let her create a precedent where "1. Film an angry rant, 2. Shoot up YouTube HQ" is seen as a guaranteed way to reach large numbers of people with your message.

ethanwillis 9y ago
Not saying it's right but using violence to spread a message has been a precedent since oh I don't know.. virtually forever?