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Indeed they will set up so they can meet the letter of the law of GDPR. They just will look at the GeoIP of where the submittion was made, and rote deny if out

Indeed they will set up so they can meet the letter of the law of GDPR. They just will look at the GeoIP of where the submittion was made, and rote deny if out of European jurisdiction.

willow9886 9y ago
GDPR actually applies to all EU citizen data, regardless of where the citizen resides. "If your enterprise has a presence on the internet in the form of a website and if your enterprise collects personal data from customers regardless of where those customers are located, it is subject to the provisions of the GDPR." [1] [1] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-eu-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr-the-smart-persons-guide/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-eu-general-data-pro...
- neinzero 9y ago
  So will users have to set a new site-wide "citizenship" setting on their profile? Short of actually requiring you to upload your passport, how can Facebook make sure only European citizens get the added privacy? Because I know, as a non-European, I want to get in on this action.
  - dannyw 9y ago
    The specifics is an implementation detail, but as an european citizen (residing anywhere) you have rights under the GDPR and should assert those rights.
  - FridgeSeal 9y ago
    Same here: I'd already made the decision that I want to move to an EU country, GDPR just makes me want to accelerate that so I can get in on the action sooner. It's not the only, or the biggest reason of course, but it's a nice benefit.
  - cesarb 9y ago
    > So will users have to set a new site-wide "citizenship" setting on their profile? What about users who have two or more citizenships? What about users who have none? What about users who have citizenship only in countries the site doesn't recognize? > Short of actually requiring you to upload your passport Given that this is about the GDPR, wouldn't that only make things worse for the site? Edit: also, what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card?
    - BeeOnRope 9y ago
      > What about users who have two or more citizenships? As long as one of them is in the EU, the GDPR would presumably apply. Generally you get all the rights (and responsibilities) of all your citizenships should you have multiple. Even without multiple citizenships this often arises since you have have rights as a resident in one country, while having a single citizenship in another country. > What about users who have none? The GDPR would not apply. > ... what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card? The easy out would be to allow the GDPR benefits to anyone who claimed to be from the EU, without requiring them to prove it. This would be compatible with the GDPR, although it might allow some "leakage" (from Facebook's perspective) in that people outside of the EU might fraudulently claim the GDPR benefits.
    - drdrey 9y ago
      Is it really possible to have none?
      - ornitorrincos 9y ago
        yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness
    - mantas 9y ago
      > also, what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card? Not possible. Can't say 100% about all countries, but in my country it's a must to have either passport or ID once you hit 16. There's even a small fine if you don't take out or renew personal document on time. US and their passport-less life looks very strange from Europe. You can't do anything without ID in EU. No bank account, no employment, no driving license and the list couldgo on and on.
  - crankylinuxuser 9y ago
    If there has to be a new citizenship profile setting will the following be acknowledged? Taiwan and Palestine both have heavily contested status by the nation states that refuse them.
- ams6110 9y ago
  Enforced by who? Fines collected by who? What happens if a site operator in Iowa just ignores it.
  - icedchai 9y ago
    I'll tell you what happens: nothing. Okay, they might get a letter or two that they place in the circular file.
  - flukus 9y ago
    > What happens if a site operator in Iowa just ignores it. Other European businesses, will be banned from doing business with them. For facebook they can stop them buying advertising space, for others they might issue orders to block payments to them. Some small players in Iowa may still get away from things but no one notable will.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    It should be noted that merely being accessible in the EU doesn't automatically make the GDPR apply to a site, although the line is not sharply delineated. https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/
solotronics 9y ago
I wonder what will happen if you use a European VPN...
btown 9y ago
This is actually a legitimate business decision, as there is a linear cost to servicing each request - letters need to be read manually, likely escalated to counsel in all but "boilerplate" cases, and executed by vetted (and expensive) individuals with strict security training. Now, could Zuck have said something more articulate than “We’re still nailing down details on this, but it should directionally be, in spirit, the whole thing?” Absolutely. He could have said "we'll be working to create a streamlined interface for people to achieve many of the most important benefits enjoyed by EU residents under the GDPR, without requiring them to jump through legal hoops and read a 90-page law to format a request correctly. This is all in progress, but we're committed to making radical transparency accessible to our users." Then there could have been positive spin. But instead the "less is more" approach leads to articles that assume the company to be operating in bad faith.
grigjd3 9y ago
The opt out page simply won't show in non gdpr jurisdictions.

Indeed they will set up so they can meet the letter of the law of GDPR. They just will look at the GeoIP of where the submittion was made, and rote deny if out of European jurisdiction.

willow9886 9y ago

GDPR actually applies to all EU citizen data, regardless of where the citizen resides. "If your enterprise has a presence on the internet in the form of a website and if your enterprise collects personal data from customers regardless of where those customers are located, it is subject to the provisions of the GDPR." [1] [1] https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-eu-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr-the-smart-persons-guide/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-eu-general-data-pro...

neinzero 9y ago
So will users have to set a new site-wide "citizenship" setting on their profile? Short of actually requiring you to upload your passport, how can Facebook make sure only European citizens get the added privacy? Because I know, as a non-European, I want to get in on this action.
- dannyw 9y ago
  The specifics is an implementation detail, but as an european citizen (residing anywhere) you have rights under the GDPR and should assert those rights.
- FridgeSeal 9y ago
  Same here: I'd already made the decision that I want to move to an EU country, GDPR just makes me want to accelerate that so I can get in on the action sooner. It's not the only, or the biggest reason of course, but it's a nice benefit.
- cesarb 9y ago
  > So will users have to set a new site-wide "citizenship" setting on their profile? What about users who have two or more citizenships? What about users who have none? What about users who have citizenship only in countries the site doesn't recognize? > Short of actually requiring you to upload your passport Given that this is about the GDPR, wouldn't that only make things worse for the site? Edit: also, what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card?
  - BeeOnRope 9y ago
    > What about users who have two or more citizenships? As long as one of them is in the EU, the GDPR would presumably apply. Generally you get all the rights (and responsibilities) of all your citizenships should you have multiple. Even without multiple citizenships this often arises since you have have rights as a resident in one country, while having a single citizenship in another country. > What about users who have none? The GDPR would not apply. > ... what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card? The easy out would be to allow the GDPR benefits to anyone who claimed to be from the EU, without requiring them to prove it. This would be compatible with the GDPR, although it might allow some "leakage" (from Facebook's perspective) in that people outside of the EU might fraudulently claim the GDPR benefits.
  - drdrey 9y ago
    Is it really possible to have none?
    - ornitorrincos 9y ago
      yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statelessness
  - mantas 9y ago
    > also, what about people who have neither a passport nor an identity card? Not possible. Can't say 100% about all countries, but in my country it's a must to have either passport or ID once you hit 16. There's even a small fine if you don't take out or renew personal document on time. US and their passport-less life looks very strange from Europe. You can't do anything without ID in EU. No bank account, no employment, no driving license and the list couldgo on and on.
- crankylinuxuser 9y ago
  If there has to be a new citizenship profile setting will the following be acknowledged? Taiwan and Palestine both have heavily contested status by the nation states that refuse them.
ams6110 9y ago
Enforced by who? Fines collected by who? What happens if a site operator in Iowa just ignores it.
- icedchai 9y ago
  I'll tell you what happens: nothing. Okay, they might get a letter or two that they place in the circular file.
- flukus 9y ago
  > What happens if a site operator in Iowa just ignores it. Other European businesses, will be banned from doing business with them. For facebook they can stop them buying advertising space, for others they might issue orders to block payments to them. Some small players in Iowa may still get away from things but no one notable will.
- icebraining 9y ago
  It should be noted that merely being accessible in the EU doesn't automatically make the GDPR apply to a site, although the line is not sharply delineated. https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/ https://gdpr-info.eu/recitals/no-23/

solotronics 9y ago

I wonder what will happen if you use a European VPN...

btown 9y ago

This is actually a legitimate business decision, as there is a linear cost to servicing each request - letters need to be read manually, likely escalated to counsel in all but "boilerplate" cases, and executed by vetted (and expensive) individuals with strict security training. Now, could Zuck have said something more articulate than “We’re still nailing down details on this, but it should directionally be, in spirit, the whole thing?” Absolutely. He could have said "we'll be working to create a streamlined interface for people to achieve many of the most important benefits enjoyed by EU residents under the GDPR, without requiring them to jump through legal hoops and read a 90-page law to format a request correctly. This is all in progress, but we're committed to making radical transparency accessible to our users." Then there could have been positive spin. But instead the "less is more" approach leads to articles that assume the company to be operating in bad faith.

grigjd3 9y ago

The opt out page simply won't show in non gdpr jurisdictions.