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Is Facebook available in China? Do they comply with Chinese law? I'm not sure I'd want to have Chinese law applied to me here in the US.

monocasa 9y ago
It's been blocked for nearly a decade.
fastball 9y ago
Yeah, except GDPR is demonstrably only good for the consumer.
- foota 9y ago
  I mean, nitpicking, but it might mean your favorite service can't provide some feature, either due to prioritization or some other reason.
  - ggregoire 9y ago
    I wish my favorite service prioritizes to make my data deletable.
    - foota 9y ago
      Then do I have good news for you :p
- oh_sigh 9y ago
  Demonstrably?
- hueving 9y ago
  It cannot be 'demonstrably only good' because there is no way to know all of the services this will prevent from being viable.
  - taurath 9y ago
    I think we have a pretty good idea of the services that no personal privacy creates.
  - crpatino 9y ago
    It is demostrably good for teenagers that liquor stores cannot sell to them, no matter how much they wish to get drunk. Given the degree of willfull ignorance displayed by your average social network user, with regards to the safety of their own personal data, a case could be made that they should be treated like minors and not be given legal right to decide unless they subject themselves to recurrent awareness education. Of course, half of HN crowd does not give a flying fuck either... so I will not be holding my breath.
- skybrian 9y ago
  I honestly can't tell whether you're being ironic or not. But it seems like a complex law and it's likely we won't know the hidden downsides until well after it's implemented.
- cjhopman 9y ago
  Cheap effective advertising is very good for the consumer.
  - ionised 9y ago
    Gonna need a citation on this, and a definition of 'very good'.
ggregoire 9y ago
I don't get how the GDPR and the censorship in China are related here in any way. Is the GDPR bad for your freedom of speech?
- dingo_bat 9y ago
  For one, both are the law in a particular region of the world.
  - electricEmu 9y ago
    Some laws are ubiquitous. Others are common or even unique. Each can, and should be, evaluated on their merit. Can you enuciate where the GDPR excels and fails, or is national origin insinuation enough?
  - icebraining 9y ago
    I can see why being forced to apply the law of another country can be bad. I don't see why merely deciding to do so is necessarily bad.
kerng 9y ago
Having GDPR applied in USA also is arguable a positive thing, so why not entertain the idea, or at least leave the door open rather then prematurely shut any efforts down? Maybe its best for Mark Zuckerberg to take a break. It might help him to step back and see the big picture, what happened at Facebook is the perfect example of Normalization of Deviance: http://lmcontheline.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-normalization-of-deviance-if-it-can.html?m=1 http://lmcontheline.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-normalization-o...
chipperyman573 9y ago
>Is Facebook available in China? No
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> I'm not sure I'd want to have Chinese law applied to me here in the US Facebook could incorporate the bulk of the EU's GDPR into its privacy policy without violating U.S. law. The same could not be said of Chinese policies.

monocasa 9y ago

It's been blocked for nearly a decade.

fastball 9y ago

Yeah, except GDPR is demonstrably only good for the consumer.

foota 9y ago
I mean, nitpicking, but it might mean your favorite service can't provide some feature, either due to prioritization or some other reason.
- ggregoire 9y ago
  I wish my favorite service prioritizes to make my data deletable.
  - foota 9y ago
    Then do I have good news for you :p
oh_sigh 9y ago
Demonstrably?
hueving 9y ago
It cannot be 'demonstrably only good' because there is no way to know all of the services this will prevent from being viable.
- taurath 9y ago
  I think we have a pretty good idea of the services that no personal privacy creates.
- crpatino 9y ago
  It is demostrably good for teenagers that liquor stores cannot sell to them, no matter how much they wish to get drunk. Given the degree of willfull ignorance displayed by your average social network user, with regards to the safety of their own personal data, a case could be made that they should be treated like minors and not be given legal right to decide unless they subject themselves to recurrent awareness education. Of course, half of HN crowd does not give a flying fuck either... so I will not be holding my breath.
skybrian 9y ago
I honestly can't tell whether you're being ironic or not. But it seems like a complex law and it's likely we won't know the hidden downsides until well after it's implemented.
cjhopman 9y ago
Cheap effective advertising is very good for the consumer.
- ionised 9y ago
  Gonna need a citation on this, and a definition of 'very good'.

ggregoire 9y ago

I don't get how the GDPR and the censorship in China are related here in any way. Is the GDPR bad for your freedom of speech?

dingo_bat 9y ago
For one, both are the law in a particular region of the world.
- electricEmu 9y ago
  Some laws are ubiquitous. Others are common or even unique. Each can, and should be, evaluated on their merit. Can you enuciate where the GDPR excels and fails, or is national origin insinuation enough?
- icebraining 9y ago
  I can see why being forced to apply the law of another country can be bad. I don't see why merely deciding to do so is necessarily bad.

kerng 9y ago

Having GDPR applied in USA also is arguable a positive thing, so why not entertain the idea, or at least leave the door open rather then prematurely shut any efforts down? Maybe its best for Mark Zuckerberg to take a break. It might help him to step back and see the big picture, what happened at Facebook is the perfect example of Normalization of Deviance: http://lmcontheline.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-normalization-of-deviance-if-it-can.html?m=1 http://lmcontheline.blogspot.com/2013/01/the-normalization-o...

chipperyman573 9y ago

>Is Facebook available in China? No

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

> I'm not sure I'd want to have Chinese law applied to me here in the US Facebook could incorporate the bulk of the EU's GDPR into its privacy policy without violating U.S. law. The same could not be said of Chinese policies.