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You're falling for the media hysteria. Control for population and demographics and the US has lower gun homicide rates than many European countries. In fact the
by galieos_ghost 9y ago
You're falling for the media hysteria. Control for population and demographics and the US has lower gun homicide rates than many European countries. In fact the lowest gun homicide rates are in the midwest where gun ownership is highest.
- dkns 9y agoCare to tell where you're getting this info from? Checking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r... If I sort by homicides US is above all european countries, so is if I sort by 'total' (although montenegro is right behind it)
- galieos_ghost 9y agoThat includes suicides, so take off around 70% of the US gun deaths.
- dkns 9y agoSort by homicide (which is what you were getting at in your original comment). US has 3.5 per 100.000 people. First European country is Montenegro which has 2.42 per 100.000, then Cyprus with 1.05. For example France is 0.21, Germany 0.07, Poland 0.04.
- FireBeyond 9y agoThe World Bank has it quite a bit higher for the US: 4.9 in 2015: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?locations=US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?location...
- cmontella 9y agoSo the US has a lower rate when you conveniently exclude a segment? Is that because you think suicide doesn't count because it's self inflicted? Would it surprise you to know many people who attempt suicide and survive later regret it, and many suicides could have been averted if a firearm wasn't readily available. I know a lot of people think someone who wants to kill them self can do so no matter what, but that simply isn't the case.
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- grizzles 9y agoWho's your source, Breitbart? The American Journal of Medicine says otherwise. http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext http://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(15)01030-X/fulltext Check out Table 4 To me, it's fine enough if people want to own guns but it would be much better if advocates did it without peddling factual distortions like this.
- galieos_ghost 9y agoYou apparently ignored when I said control for demographics. Compare midwest gun stats to Europe
- grizzles 9y agoThose are per capita figures. What are you talking about?
- galieos_ghost 9y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state#Murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_Uni... Midwest states have lower gun homicide rates than the many European countries despite having the highest gun ownership rates in the US. The mass shootings that get media attention are a drop in the bucket compared to daily inner city gang violence that jacks up US gun stats. And taking guns from law abiding citizens isn't going to stop gangs from shooting each other.
- liberte82 9y agoWhy don't you just say "black people are the problem" and stop beating around the bush?
- nkurz 9y agoMost likely he doesn't say this because he doesn't believe this. The obvious interpretation is that he believes that some US cities have a serious problem with violent gangs. Why would you want to assume that "inner city gang violence" is code for "black people"?
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