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Not to mention automatic weapons are essentially already banned. There's no rational debate to be had, since they only really seem to happen with bodies fresh

by Cuuugi 9y ago

Not to mention automatic weapons are essentially already banned. There's no rational debate to be had, since they only really seem to happen with bodies fresh in our minds. I don't have the right answer, or claim to, but i do know that making these types of decisions in a crisis, rarely works out.

celticninja 9y ago
The decisions are not made in a crisis. The crisis is the impetus needed to get people to change their mind, its not like this will result in a law change. It may result in a new proposed law, which will be debated and voted on in due course. It wont be a knee jerk reaction but hopefully someday soon enough people will see one of these events as the start of the end of future mass slayings.
- Cuuugi 9y ago
  I disagree. The media spotlight around the Stoneman Douglas high school students should be all you need to know. The fact that they have been elevated to a place they don't really belong (in the national spotlight) is to simply push a narrative. This is child abuse, and wrong. They want to push legislation to restrict the right to own firearms, when it really hasn't been considered that guns themselves might not be the problem. What makes a "mass shooter"? The gun just makes them a shooter. To fire indiscriminately clearly shows mental issues.
  - BenSahar 9y ago
    I think it's funny that people are so upset about some high school students voicing their opinions after experiencing a school shooting. I do agree with the idea that the US needs to fix its mental (and general) healthcare system. It's odd that the majority of the time that argument is used by the same group that wants and has tried to gut any attempts at improving the system.
    - musage 9y ago
      > some high school students voicing their opinions They said "media spotlight", not "the fact that some students voiced their opinion". > It's odd that the majority of the time that argument is used by the same group that wants and has tried to gut any attempts at improving the system. It's odd in the same way the above is funny, namely in that you're just saying it.
  - Cuuugi 9y ago
    > I think it's funny that people are so upset about some high school students voicing their opinions after experiencing a school shooting. Did i direct any anger towards any of the students? I think you misread me. PAC's are circling them this way and that to push messaging on people. That is undeniable. That is child abuse. That is wrong. That is why i am upset. (i'll say that all night, i don't care about karma)
Cuuugi 9y ago
I guess a call to rationalism is down vote worthy?
stingrae 9y ago
The problem is that we are continually in crisis. This is happening multiple times a week. We really need to have a serious discussion and action around the future of guns in our country.
- DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
  As I posted elsewhere, drunk-driving is a far bigger problem. I propose we tackle these things in priority order.
  - stingrae 9y ago
    Why can't we tackle both at the same time?
  - bsurmanski 9y ago
    10,265 people died a year in alcohol-impaired driving crashes (2015) [0] 33,636 persons died a year from firearm injuries, ~11200 homicides, ~21190 suicides (2013) [1] Given these numbers from the CDC, it seems like your statement is incorrect and firearms are a serious issue. Care to address this? [0] - https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... [1] - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
    - goldenkey 9y ago
      90 percent of your figure is victimless suicides..
      - bsurmanski 9y ago
        21,190 suicides of 33,636 is 63%. And there is still a definite victim. Not to mention any affected loved ones they left behind.
    - DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
isostatic 9y ago
> There's no rational debate to be had, since they only really seem to happen with bodies fresh in our minds. That's because they are always fresh in our minds, it's always a crisis. Mass shootings are the norm in America.

by Cuuugi 9y ago

celticninja 9y ago

The decisions are not made in a crisis. The crisis is the impetus needed to get people to change their mind, its not like this will result in a law change. It may result in a new proposed law, which will be debated and voted on in due course. It wont be a knee jerk reaction but hopefully someday soon enough people will see one of these events as the start of the end of future mass slayings.

Cuuugi 9y ago
I disagree. The media spotlight around the Stoneman Douglas high school students should be all you need to know. The fact that they have been elevated to a place they don't really belong (in the national spotlight) is to simply push a narrative. This is child abuse, and wrong. They want to push legislation to restrict the right to own firearms, when it really hasn't been considered that guns themselves might not be the problem. What makes a "mass shooter"? The gun just makes them a shooter. To fire indiscriminately clearly shows mental issues.
- BenSahar 9y ago
  I think it's funny that people are so upset about some high school students voicing their opinions after experiencing a school shooting. I do agree with the idea that the US needs to fix its mental (and general) healthcare system. It's odd that the majority of the time that argument is used by the same group that wants and has tried to gut any attempts at improving the system.
  - musage 9y ago
    > some high school students voicing their opinions They said "media spotlight", not "the fact that some students voiced their opinion". > It's odd that the majority of the time that argument is used by the same group that wants and has tried to gut any attempts at improving the system. It's odd in the same way the above is funny, namely in that you're just saying it.
- Cuuugi 9y ago
  > I think it's funny that people are so upset about some high school students voicing their opinions after experiencing a school shooting. Did i direct any anger towards any of the students? I think you misread me. PAC's are circling them this way and that to push messaging on people. That is undeniable. That is child abuse. That is wrong. That is why i am upset. (i'll say that all night, i don't care about karma)

Cuuugi 9y ago

I guess a call to rationalism is down vote worthy?

stingrae 9y ago

The problem is that we are continually in crisis. This is happening multiple times a week. We really need to have a serious discussion and action around the future of guns in our country.

DoofusOfDeath 9y ago
As I posted elsewhere, drunk-driving is a far bigger problem. I propose we tackle these things in priority order.
- stingrae 9y ago
  Why can't we tackle both at the same time?
- bsurmanski 9y ago
  10,265 people died a year in alcohol-impaired driving crashes (2015) [0] 33,636 persons died a year from firearm injuries, ~11200 homicides, ~21190 suicides (2013) [1] Given these numbers from the CDC, it seems like your statement is incorrect and firearms are a serious issue. Care to address this? [0] - https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... [1] - https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf
  - goldenkey 9y ago
    90 percent of your figure is victimless suicides..
    - bsurmanski 9y ago
      21,190 suicides of 33,636 is 63%. And there is still a definite victim. Not to mention any affected loved ones they left behind.
  - DoofusOfDeath 9y ago

isostatic 9y ago

> There's no rational debate to be had, since they only really seem to happen with bodies fresh in our minds. That's because they are always fresh in our minds, it's always a crisis. Mass shootings are the norm in America.