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Would you mind elaborating a little on the Columbine shooting and where to look for trustworthy reconstruction of the event?

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jdoliner 9y ago
Sure, let me first say though that there's so much misinformation surrounding that particular event that I'm not really willing to 100% trust anything at this point. I'm always ready to find out what I think I know about the event is actually wrong. That being said here were the major things I used to think were true that I don't anymore: - The shooters were not in The Trenchcoat Mafia (TCM). TCM was a thing that some of their classmates used to refer to themselves. Dylan and Eric were never closely associated with it. The coats they wore during the shooting weren't even trenchcoats, they were dusters. - They weren't outcasts, and the shooting was revenge against the popular kids. They weren't the most popular kids in school either but that had fairly normal social lives, went to parties on the weekend. If I recall correctly prom had been a few weeks before the shooting and both had gone, with dates. - The infamous exchange in which they asked a classmate if she believed in god and then shot her when she responded "yes" never happened. This source seems pretty good: https://www.policeone.com/school-violence/articles/1228405-The-Columbine-High-School-Incident-Fact-and-Fiction/ https://www.policeone.com/school-violence/articles/1228405-T... I first found out about it from this podcast: http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/05/12/myth-20th-century-episode-18-columbine-culture-violence/ http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/05/12/myth-20th-century-epi...
- rdtsc 9y ago
  Someone told me that some of the victims ended up being shot by the police. Based on your research is that true or it's another one of those rumors?
  - jdoliner 9y ago
    I've never seen anything mentioning that so it seems dubious to me. But it looks like there was a motion filed in court claiming this [0]. Not sure what ever came of it, but I assumed Google would turn up more if it had been confirmed. [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-columbine-student-killed-by-cop/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-columbine-student-killed...
- liberte82 9y ago
  We complain a lot about the quality of modern news reporting, but I think a large part of it is that we are just more aware now due to the prevalence of the internet and huge numbers of sources. Back in the old days, there was plenty of misinformation, but we just didn't get as worked up about it. Our standards now are higher and we tear apart even small inaccuracies.
Rebelgecko 9y ago
Theres a book called Columbine by Dave Cullen that came out a few years ago. He also has some articles you can find online about the shooting, all very well researched as far as I can tell. The narrative right after the shooting was that 2 loner goth kids did a horrible thing to get revenge on their bullies. However they had a circle of friends, and were more focused on becoming infamous than killing anyone in particular. It wasn't an impulsive attack; they planned for a very long time and wanted to outdo Timothy McVeigh
- nerdwaller 9y ago
  This aligns with what I recall of the post-Columbine fallout - having grown up some of my childhood within a couple miles of Columbine. Thanks for the book reference, admittedly I’ve not followed up much on the event given the area impact, but it definitely seems like a worthwhile read all this time later.

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jdoliner 9y ago

Sure, let me first say though that there's so much misinformation surrounding that particular event that I'm not really willing to 100% trust anything at this point. I'm always ready to find out what I think I know about the event is actually wrong. That being said here were the major things I used to think were true that I don't anymore: - The shooters were not in The Trenchcoat Mafia (TCM). TCM was a thing that some of their classmates used to refer to themselves. Dylan and Eric were never closely associated with it. The coats they wore during the shooting weren't even trenchcoats, they were dusters. - They weren't outcasts, and the shooting was revenge against the popular kids. They weren't the most popular kids in school either but that had fairly normal social lives, went to parties on the weekend. If I recall correctly prom had been a few weeks before the shooting and both had gone, with dates. - The infamous exchange in which they asked a classmate if she believed in god and then shot her when she responded "yes" never happened. This source seems pretty good: https://www.policeone.com/school-violence/articles/1228405-The-Columbine-High-School-Incident-Fact-and-Fiction/ https://www.policeone.com/school-violence/articles/1228405-T... I first found out about it from this podcast: http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/05/12/myth-20th-century-episode-18-columbine-culture-violence/ http://www.socialmatter.net/2017/05/12/myth-20th-century-epi...

rdtsc 9y ago
Someone told me that some of the victims ended up being shot by the police. Based on your research is that true or it's another one of those rumors?
- jdoliner 9y ago
  I've never seen anything mentioning that so it seems dubious to me. But it looks like there was a motion filed in court claiming this [0]. Not sure what ever came of it, but I assumed Google would turn up more if it had been confirmed. [0]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-columbine-student-killed-by-cop/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/family-columbine-student-killed...
liberte82 9y ago
We complain a lot about the quality of modern news reporting, but I think a large part of it is that we are just more aware now due to the prevalence of the internet and huge numbers of sources. Back in the old days, there was plenty of misinformation, but we just didn't get as worked up about it. Our standards now are higher and we tear apart even small inaccuracies.

Rebelgecko 9y ago

Theres a book called Columbine by Dave Cullen that came out a few years ago. He also has some articles you can find online about the shooting, all very well researched as far as I can tell. The narrative right after the shooting was that 2 loner goth kids did a horrible thing to get revenge on their bullies. However they had a circle of friends, and were more focused on becoming infamous than killing anyone in particular. It wasn't an impulsive attack; they planned for a very long time and wanted to outdo Timothy McVeigh

nerdwaller 9y ago
This aligns with what I recall of the post-Columbine fallout - having grown up some of my childhood within a couple miles of Columbine. Thanks for the book reference, admittedly I’ve not followed up much on the event given the area impact, but it definitely seems like a worthwhile read all this time later.