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Americans are more likely to die in car accidents than be shot. Don't confuse the lurid with the empirical.

watwut 9y ago
Americans drive awful lot. Americans are more likely to be shot then citizens of pretty much any other western country and also of quite a few non-western countries.
mpweiher 9y ago
Actually: Assault by gun: 1 in 370 Riding inside a car, van or truck: 1 in 536 http://www.businessinsider.de/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2?r=US&IR=T http://www.businessinsider.de/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2... "Americans are more likely to die from gun violence than many leading causes of death combined"
- DtnB 9y ago
  you left out: "Motor Vehicle Crash 1 in 102" http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/ http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-ov...
  - mpweiher 9y ago
    Motor vehicle ≠ car.
    - DtnB 9y ago
      and passenger doesn't equal all car accidents.
- DINKDINK 9y ago
  >Riding inside a car, van or truck: My claim was a car accident not strictly, riding as a passenger. I'll assume you weren't trying to be deceptive and provide the mortality rates from all vehicle related deaths: "Any motor vehicle incident 1 in 114" So yes, Americans are 3 times more likely to die in a car accident than by a gun. For Americans, use your own life experience: How many people do you know who have died in or by cars vs gun violence. Which one is fear mongered more? Assuming you have 400 friends/acquaintances the probability of you not knowing anyone who's died in a car accident ~ 3%[1]. The probability of you not knowing anyone who's died in a gun accident is 47% [2] Center for Disease Control has more comprehensive figures: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm [1] (113/114)^400 [2] (535/536)^400
  - mpweiher 9y ago
    You just conflated "any motor vehicle", which obviously includes such fairly dangerous vehicles as motorcycles, with "car". And the comment I replied to specifically talked about car accidents. I'll assume you weren't trying to be deceptive...
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- thousandautumns 9y ago
  You keep posting this source, but I am extremely skeptical, considering that since 2010, gun related homicides in the US has consistently ranged between 8000 and 13000 per year, where the number of people to die in automobile accidents in the US typically hovers between 30,000 to 40,000. Also, given that Business Insider is essentially a blog site at this point, I don't see how they arrived at those numbers. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
  - DINKDINK 9y ago
    They're posting death rates of being a passenger not dying because of exposure to cars (passenger, driver, pedestrian etc). They should retract their position or they're being deceptive.
olivermarks 9y ago
I'm English but have lived in California for half my life. London now has a higher murder rate than NYC, which gives a different perspective. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936 I've never owned a gun but I respect the second amendment which seems to have been cleverly crafted primarily to give the citizens options to overthrow a future oppressive government. I find the whole pressure to 'ban guns' sinister in Trump's America...
- mehrdadn 9y ago
  ...the federal government, yeah. The mistake was extending it to the states instead of letting their own constitutions say what should happen in their jurisdiction.
- bduerst 9y ago
  Only if you include stabbings: >The Met Police has launched 44 murder investigations in 2018, 31 of which have been as a result of stabbings. If you look at gun homicide rate, then the U.S. has 30 times the homicide rate of the U.K.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Do you still say a 30x gun homicide rate a "sinister" reason to 'ban guns'?
  - freedomben 9y ago
    Why wouldn't you include stabbings? Are you suggesting that murder is better if it's done by knife than by gun? Of course you're going to get lower gun homicide rates by banning them. You'd get lower knife homicide rates by banning knifes (I think it's time to consider an assault-knife ban), but aren't you "fixing" the wrong problem? Shouldn't we be trying to stop murder?
    - bduerst 9y ago
      Because when accusing gun control of being sinister in the U.S., using stabbing statistics creates a false equivalence with the U.K. Nobody is promoting murder here so why would you even ask that?
drewrv 9y ago
Our government has regulations and conducts research to minimize car accident fatalities. As a result, cars today are much safer than 10 or 20 years ago. There's no reason we can't do something similar with guns.

Americans drive awful lot. Americans are more likely to be shot then citizens of pretty much any other western country and also of quite a few non-western countries.

mpweiher 9y ago

Actually: Assault by gun: 1 in 370 Riding inside a car, van or truck: 1 in 536 http://www.businessinsider.de/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2?r=US&IR=T http://www.businessinsider.de/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2... "Americans are more likely to die from gun violence than many leading causes of death combined"

DtnB 9y ago
you left out: "Motor Vehicle Crash 1 in 102" http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-overview/odds-of-dying/ http://injuryfacts.nsc.org/all-injuries/preventable-death-ov...
- mpweiher 9y ago
  Motor vehicle ≠ car.
  - DtnB 9y ago
    and passenger doesn't equal all car accidents.
DINKDINK 9y ago
>Riding inside a car, van or truck: My claim was a car accident not strictly, riding as a passenger. I'll assume you weren't trying to be deceptive and provide the mortality rates from all vehicle related deaths: "Any motor vehicle incident 1 in 114" So yes, Americans are 3 times more likely to die in a car accident than by a gun. For Americans, use your own life experience: How many people do you know who have died in or by cars vs gun violence. Which one is fear mongered more? Assuming you have 400 friends/acquaintances the probability of you not knowing anyone who's died in a car accident ~ 3%[1]. The probability of you not knowing anyone who's died in a gun accident is 47% [2] Center for Disease Control has more comprehensive figures: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm [1] (113/114)^400 [2] (535/536)^400
- mpweiher 9y ago
  You just conflated "any motor vehicle", which obviously includes such fairly dangerous vehicles as motorcycles, with "car". And the comment I replied to specifically talked about car accidents. I'll assume you weren't trying to be deceptive...
- deleted 9y ago
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thousandautumns 9y ago
You keep posting this source, but I am extremely skeptical, considering that since 2010, gun related homicides in the US has consistently ranged between 8000 and 13000 per year, where the number of people to die in automobile accidents in the US typically hovers between 30,000 to 40,000. Also, given that Business Insider is essentially a blog site at this point, I don't see how they arrived at those numbers. Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_Sta... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
- DINKDINK 9y ago
  They're posting death rates of being a passenger not dying because of exposure to cars (passenger, driver, pedestrian etc). They should retract their position or they're being deceptive.

olivermarks 9y ago

I'm English but have lived in California for half my life. London now has a higher murder rate than NYC, which gives a different perspective. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936 http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43610936 I've never owned a gun but I respect the second amendment which seems to have been cleverly crafted primarily to give the citizens options to overthrow a future oppressive government. I find the whole pressure to 'ban guns' sinister in Trump's America...

mehrdadn 9y ago
...the federal government, yeah. The mistake was extending it to the states instead of letting their own constitutions say what should happen in their jurisdiction.
bduerst 9y ago
Only if you include stabbings: >The Met Police has launched 44 murder investigations in 2018, 31 of which have been as a result of stabbings. If you look at gun homicide rate, then the U.S. has 30 times the homicide rate of the U.K.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34996604 Do you still say a 30x gun homicide rate a "sinister" reason to 'ban guns'?
- freedomben 9y ago
  Why wouldn't you include stabbings? Are you suggesting that murder is better if it's done by knife than by gun? Of course you're going to get lower gun homicide rates by banning them. You'd get lower knife homicide rates by banning knifes (I think it's time to consider an assault-knife ban), but aren't you "fixing" the wrong problem? Shouldn't we be trying to stop murder?
  - bduerst 9y ago
    Because when accusing gun control of being sinister in the U.S., using stabbing statistics creates a false equivalence with the U.K. Nobody is promoting murder here so why would you even ask that?

drewrv 9y ago

Our government has regulations and conducts research to minimize car accident fatalities. As a result, cars today are much safer than 10 or 20 years ago. There's no reason we can't do something similar with guns.