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I see people from Blackblaze here, so let me ask: any chance we could get B2 integration in Synology's Hyper Backup ? I know you're in Cloud Sync, but that's r

by nolok 9y ago

I see people from Blackblaze here, so let me ask: any chance we could get B2 integration in Synology's Hyper Backup ? I know you're in Cloud Sync, but that's really not the same thing (a one/two way sync is not a backup service). I'm not sure if you need to give Synology a nudge or something, and I would even pay a fee for it if need be, but until then I can't use B2 as one my main backup destination for all those businesses NAS I have at various small sized companies I administrate.

atYevP 9y ago
Yev from Backblaze here -> We'd LOVE for that to happen (and there's ways to make Cloud Sync work as a one-way street) but it looks like they are pushing their own C2 service for Hyper Backup - so it's looking unlikely that they'll add us in. There's a thread about it on their forums (https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120647 https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120647) so our hope is that if they see value in adding 3rd party platforms to the Hyper Backup service we'd be high on the list!
- nolok 9y ago
  > and there's ways to make Cloud Sync work as a one-way street Sadly it still means if the source gets corrupted for whatever reason the backup is done, for business files sync is really not backup (I don't think I'm teaching you anything there, but really this sadly doesn't fit my needs at all). Also Hyper Vault is all about the intelligent versionning. While it's possible to trick it by doing the backup somewhere and then syncing THAT to B2 (and I do it for my personnal NAS), it's too much of a hassle and "complex" setup that I can't see myself pushing that to my customers. OVH managed to get them to add HubiC in there so clearly there is a way. Hope you will keep pushing them until they move on it ! And thanks for making such a great product :)
  - atYevP 9y ago
    > OVH managed to get them to add HubiC in there so clearly there is a way. Hope you will keep pushing them until they move on it ! And thanks for making such a great product :) They know we'd like it in there, think that OVH was there before C2 was ready so they are "grandfathered in". Best way to let them know you want it is to add your voice to the thread!
  - verisimilitude 9y ago
    I'm using Cloud Sync to backup a Synology to B2. Have you considered btrfs snapshots? I use them because I'm backing up a lot of sparsebundles and I had the same thought as you: if they get corrupted and then automatically back up... then I'm in trouble. Anyway, snapshots give me what I'm looking for re: versioning.
  - fnord123 9y ago
    >for business files sync is really not backup With versioning it is.
    - nolok 9y ago
      It really isn't. Maybe I'm mistaken and then I'm listening to how you do it ? The purpose of file syncing and backuping is very different, one is ensuring that a change on the source is replicated to the destination and is kept up to date on changes, the other is taking a snapshot frozen in time no matter what happens on the source.
      - fnord123 9y ago
        If you have a file version, it's frozen in time. So if you have syncing with file versions you can rollback files individually.
        nolok 9y ago
        I don't think I was clear enough: with a two way sync, if a disgruntled employee / script failure / any other thing destroys the file version 1.0, it gets uploaded and replace the old file version 1.0 Backup is not just about having a copy, it's having a copy that stops being kept in sync with the original after it is made.
        fnord123 9y ago
        The version (in S3) is a hash of the data so if you remove your local version and replace it then you won't be tricked into thinking version 1.0 is the wrong thing (unless someone brute forces a new file with the same hash). There is also a concept of Write Once Read Many in storage which is used for compliance. So you can use sync with WORM and it's basically append only.
- ksec 9y ago
  If Synology is moving up the chain into Cloud Backup and Storage. Will Blackblaze move down the Chain and make a simple NAS for Home user? ( With B2 services Integrated of coz )
saltandvinegar 9y ago
Same question but for QNAP. It's hard to figure out the right setup to make sure my QNAP is 100% backed up, safe from user error, etc. especially without dieing from sync fees.
- atYevP 9y ago
  Yev from Backblaze -> Let 'em hear it! We'd love to be integrated, but as the integrator to B2 they would have to prioritize the project! QNAP is integrated with B2 in some ways already, you can take a look here -> https://blog.qnap.com/backup-data-backblaze-b2/ https://blog.qnap.com/backup-data-backblaze-b2/.
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by nolok 9y ago

atYevP 9y ago

Yev from Backblaze here -> We'd LOVE for that to happen (and there's ways to make Cloud Sync work as a one-way street) but it looks like they are pushing their own C2 service for Hyper Backup - so it's looking unlikely that they'll add us in. There's a thread about it on their forums (https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120647 https://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120647) so our hope is that if they see value in adding 3rd party platforms to the Hyper Backup service we'd be high on the list!

nolok 9y ago
> and there's ways to make Cloud Sync work as a one-way street Sadly it still means if the source gets corrupted for whatever reason the backup is done, for business files sync is really not backup (I don't think I'm teaching you anything there, but really this sadly doesn't fit my needs at all). Also Hyper Vault is all about the intelligent versionning. While it's possible to trick it by doing the backup somewhere and then syncing THAT to B2 (and I do it for my personnal NAS), it's too much of a hassle and "complex" setup that I can't see myself pushing that to my customers. OVH managed to get them to add HubiC in there so clearly there is a way. Hope you will keep pushing them until they move on it ! And thanks for making such a great product :)
- atYevP 9y ago
  > OVH managed to get them to add HubiC in there so clearly there is a way. Hope you will keep pushing them until they move on it ! And thanks for making such a great product :) They know we'd like it in there, think that OVH was there before C2 was ready so they are "grandfathered in". Best way to let them know you want it is to add your voice to the thread!
- verisimilitude 9y ago
  I'm using Cloud Sync to backup a Synology to B2. Have you considered btrfs snapshots? I use them because I'm backing up a lot of sparsebundles and I had the same thought as you: if they get corrupted and then automatically back up... then I'm in trouble. Anyway, snapshots give me what I'm looking for re: versioning.
- fnord123 9y ago
  >for business files sync is really not backup With versioning it is.
  - nolok 9y ago
    It really isn't. Maybe I'm mistaken and then I'm listening to how you do it ? The purpose of file syncing and backuping is very different, one is ensuring that a change on the source is replicated to the destination and is kept up to date on changes, the other is taking a snapshot frozen in time no matter what happens on the source.
    - fnord123 9y ago
      If you have a file version, it's frozen in time. So if you have syncing with file versions you can rollback files individually.
      - nolok 9y ago
        I don't think I was clear enough: with a two way sync, if a disgruntled employee / script failure / any other thing destroys the file version 1.0, it gets uploaded and replace the old file version 1.0 Backup is not just about having a copy, it's having a copy that stops being kept in sync with the original after it is made.
        fnord123 9y ago
        The version (in S3) is a hash of the data so if you remove your local version and replace it then you won't be tricked into thinking version 1.0 is the wrong thing (unless someone brute forces a new file with the same hash). There is also a concept of Write Once Read Many in storage which is used for compliance. So you can use sync with WORM and it's basically append only.
ksec 9y ago
If Synology is moving up the chain into Cloud Backup and Storage. Will Blackblaze move down the Chain and make a simple NAS for Home user? ( With B2 services Integrated of coz )

saltandvinegar 9y ago

Same question but for QNAP. It's hard to figure out the right setup to make sure my QNAP is 100% backed up, safe from user error, etc. especially without dieing from sync fees.

atYevP 9y ago
Yev from Backblaze -> Let 'em hear it! We'd love to be integrated, but as the integrator to B2 they would have to prioritize the project! QNAP is integrated with B2 in some ways already, you can take a look here -> https://blog.qnap.com/backup-data-backblaze-b2/ https://blog.qnap.com/backup-data-backblaze-b2/.

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