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Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like we're getting lots of tech IPO's in a relatively short time. Stitch Fix, Dropbox, Blue Apron, Snap, and Roku to n
by froindt 9y ago
Maybe my perception is off, but it seems like we're getting lots of tech IPO's in a relatively short time. Stitch Fix, Dropbox, Blue Apron, Snap, and Roku to name a few.
For a long time we weren't seeing too many big tech IPO's. Did something fundamentally change in the market to lead to this, or did all these companies just happen to make it to "market maturity" around the same time?
- overcast 9y agoRemember what the stock market charts looked like last time? Stockpile some cash, invest when it falls out.
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- albertgoeswoof 9y agoAre blue apron and stitch fix tech companies? I thought they were just sending out boxes of stuff to subscribers, with a website/app for taking orders?
- meritt 9y agoIs Spotify a tech company? I thought they were just sending an audio stream to subscribers with a website/app for searching?
- harshgupta 9y agoSpotify is a tech company by all measures. Their core value propositions - recommendation engine, UI/UX, scaling responsive applications - those are pretty 'tech' problems.
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- meritt 9y agoAnd exactly the same can be stated for Blue Apron and Stich Fix, thus the point of my rhetorical question. Just because the two in question aren't as sexy as Spotify or Dropbox shouldn't exclude them from being considered a tech company. I'd argue that the logistics of shipping perishable food is significantly more difficult than streaming an audio file, and recommending clothing to meet an individual's specific style/size/gender/budget is a lot more complex than applying publicly available [1] Netflix-style collaborative filtering to recommend music. [1] https://www.netflixprize.com/assets/GrandPrize2009_BPC_BigChaos.pdf https://www.netflixprize.com/assets/GrandPrize2009_BPC_BigCh...
- bpicolo 9y agoBlue Apron and Stitch Fix aren't selling software/hardware as a customer-facing value proposition, so they're definitively not tech. You definitely have to draw the line, or else every big company in existence is a tech company. Banks hire thousands of software devs.
- zjaffee 9y agoIs E-commerce tech? Amazon has built out a ton of technology to scale their fulfillment operations and wouldn't be the company they are without it. We are getting closer to the day where every company is a tech company. Marketing requires tech to do what is very complicated bidding and A/B testing. Most companies involved in sales are using CRM to understand how to better reach customers. This list goes on and on, as tech is embedded into everything people do these days.
- bpicolo 9y agoThat’s the point. Using tech isn’t what makes you a tech company, and never has been. Banks, airlines have been running cobol and what have you for ages. When your product is software/hardware, then you’re a tech company.
- harshgupta 9y agoJust so you know, 1.recommender systems != collaborative filtering. 2.RBMs are good only for certain situations like explicit ratings (where users provide direct feedback), its a really hard problem in implicit recommendations (which are most sites). See Bayesian Personalised Ranking Algorithm. 3. >I'd argue that the logistics of shipping perishable food is significantly more difficult than streaming an audio file. Thats exactly the point. I am not measuring hardness. But that looks a supply chain problem that a software engineering problem.
- ericwood 9y agoI used to work at Blue Apron...sending people boxes of perishables is actually a very tough problem to solve and there was extensive tech powering the warehouse side of things. We had a fairly large engineering team working on these problems. At the end of the day who really cares what is and isn't a "tech company"? Every company has a tech aspect to it these days.
- astura 9y agoHow's that different from, say, the logistics of grocery stores? Yet Wegmans isn't considered a "tech company."
- ericwood 9y agoMost grocery stores use off-the-shelf tech for this sort of thing; our business model made a lot of that not feasible and there was a decision made early on to build it ourselves, if anything because the tech we developed could have its own value down the line. If Wegman's was writing software like this (maybe they do! I have no idea) then I'd happily consider them a tech company. But like I said, it's a silly thing to argue about anyways.
- astura 9y agoI used Wegmans as an example specifically because Wegmans is known for doing a lot of their own R&D to improve their operations. I don't know if they write some of their own software, but it wouldn't surprise me if they do.
- maxxxxx 9y agoIf your company is in SF and funded by VCs you are tech by default, otherwise you aren't tech.
- hkmurakami 9y agoIt matters because of the multiples you get on the market.
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- froindt 9y agoOthers have already talked about Blue Apron. The NPR podcast How I Build This released an episode on April 1 with the Stitch Fix founder, Katrina Lake which was quite interesting. Stitch Fix has quite a team of data scientists working on their recommendation system. They typically send about 5 items per shipment, so they need to be very confident the 5 will fit, you'll like them, and you'll like the price. With Spotify or Netflix, the user can browse around and can skip between songs or shows quickly. If their recommendation engine wasn't phenomenal, it'd still be a viable product. Stitch Fix typically has 1 shot per month to sell you stuff you care about.
- jacquesm 9y ago> Did something fundamentally change in the market to lead to this, or did all these companies just happen to make it to "market maturity" around the same time? One successful IPO will beget a whole raft of follow-ons in similar segments to profit from the 'atmosphere' as much as possible. Until the first one that bombs, then it is immediately game over. So there tends to be a bursty nature to this IPO thing.
- froindt 9y agoThanks. I don't follow IPO's too closely and was less than 10 for the .com bubble filled with IPO's. I'm still learning the general patterns.
- stochastic_monk 9y agoThis leads me to believe that a Hawkes process would be an excellent way to model IPOs.
- maxxxxx 9y agoI think they are dumping their stock on the public before the market takes a downturn. For most of these stocks the only way to go is down.
- froindt 9y agoSnap is certainly fitting that pattern. Down 48% in the 13 months since IPO.
- maaaats 9y agoIf the only way is down, no one would have bought at current prices. If the only way is down, the price would have corrected itself to the down level already. So there is no only way down anymore.
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- mattsfrey 9y agoThe alarmist in me thinks there is a huge crash coming and companies are seeking to allow stakeholders to quietly cash out in the public markets. Given the numbers on some of these companies they definitely wouldn't be acquired for the amount they would want. An IPO while they're hot seems like a better yield.
- nerdwaller 9y agoPivotal also filed their S-1, though I don’t recall any date estimates on that one.
- astura 9y agoMy thoughts are after almost a decade of growth, the popular opinion (right or wrong) is we are due for a market correction. I think that these companies want to cash out at the top of the curve.
- jadeklerk 9y agoA decade of growth....?? Where were you in 2008?
- asfasgasg 9y agoHow long ago was 2008? It's 2018, so about ten years. Now what's another word for ten years. It's on the tip of my tongue.
- astura 9y agoI said almost a decade Take a look at the 10 year S&P 500 chart: http://www.macrotrends.net/2488/sp500-10-year-daily-chart http://www.macrotrends.net/2488/sp500-10-year-daily-chart It bottomed out in early March 2009. The period from March 2009 to right now can roughly be described as "growth." We describe it as "growth" because the overall movement is upwards. 9 years and 1 month is "almost a decade" because a decade is 10 years and 9 is pretty close to 10.
- swarnie_ 9y agoGetting in quick while they can. Surviving a 5 year down turn on borrowed money is challenging.