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As someone who purchased (early adopted) the Ryzen 5 2400g APU a couple of days after release, I regret every bit of it. We still don't have any motherboards th

As someone who purchased (early adopted) the Ryzen 5 2400g APU a couple of days after release, I regret every bit of it. We still don't have any motherboards that support it well. I've heard the ASUS boards do okay but they have to be flashed to a new BIOS version (with a different processor in the socket). I'm glad that folks like the hype, but the reality is just terrible.

agumonkey 9y ago
what would a good motherboard support bring ? (open question)
- nobleach 9y ago
  Processor support? Voltages set reasonably. Just a decent burn in period before sending it out the door. Currently I'm running an ASRock B350M Pro4... and I can't keep that thing running more than 30 minutes. It's not high load that causes the freezing. It's just terrible on every front.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    erf, damning indeed
frou_dh 9y ago
The first generation Ryzen 7 rollout was a bit of a mess as well. What with the (understandably) immature BIOSes, and tons of people RMAing CPUs to be replaced due to the segfaulting issue. AMD seem gaffe-prone. See also the pre-launch hype vs reality of Vega in the gaming space.
- shmerl 9y ago
  And there is still this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683
- AlphaSite 9y ago
  Fist gen ryzen desktop had the same sot of teething troubles ever CPU has tbh, but they were somewhat moe publicised and a little bigger (not huge but bigger) due to the cleanroom design.
prolepunk 9y ago
I got it running on asrock ab350 gaming-itx/ac issues found so far: - No dual screen support (the board has 2xHDMI 1.4). The fix is in firmware 4.51A which is still in beta - When installing debian needed to use vga=771 in the console - X11 would freeze a few times but with Linux 4.15.0-2-amd64 that issue seem to have been fixed
jacquesm 9y ago
That's why you typically wait to be 'second best' when new tech hits the market. In the current climate 'early adopter' should actually be interpreted as 'beta tester'.
AmVess 9y ago
I built a standard (non gfx) Ryzen to replace my old back up box, and it's been 99% fine. The only issue is the slow POST time, but that's an MSI thing and not a Ryzen thing. The rollout of new mainboards and Zen+(non gfx integrated) CPU's should be a lot smoother than their initial effort since they've all had a year to learn from their mistakes.
zitterbewegung 9y ago
Other than the BIOS issue I have had no problems with the Ryzen 5 2400G. I have an ASRock board. I tried running Warframe on only the APU but I think I need more memory which is very expensive so I put in an GTX 650. If memory prices go down I should be able to use it with only the processor.
- nobleach 9y ago
  I did 16gigs of 3200. Be careful as the processor will only support 2400 or 2600Mhz (I can't remember off the top of my head) I don't mind the actual layout or operation of the BIOS. I did have to upgrade it to recognize my M2 NVMe. I've just been trying anything I can to get the thing stable.... to no avail.
linuxftw 9y ago
> I regret every bit of it. Why make a statement without even one item of support as to why you regret it? The ASUS board problem sounds inconvenient, to say the least, but the way your phrased it implies it doesn't effect you in particular. Comments on a popular online electronics retailer's website seem to be positive for this model.
- pdabbadabba 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure he regretted it because "[w]e still don't have any motherboards that support it well."
  - joenathanone 9y ago
    What does that mean exactly?
- nobleach 9y ago
  No, I've heard good things about the ASUS. The ASRock (which is what I bought) is absolutely terrible. I regret buying the ASRock because I now have a computer that freezes constantly. It's not related to processor load or heat. It simply just doesn't work well at all. Sometimes an hour, sometimes 5 minutes.... I'm hoping I'm phrasing this well enough.
  - swindmill 9y ago
    FWIW I am running a two week old Ryzen 5 2400G and ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac setup with rock solid stability under Windows 10. I did end up having to run my 3200MHz memory at 2933Mhz to avoid some issues. This is the max memory speed the CPU supports anyways so I don't consider it a large loss. The ASRock published memory QVL agrees with my finding that 3200MHz isn't stable with the specific memory I'm using. See https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#MemoryRR https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-ITXac... What ASRock model are you using? Are you sure the culprit is the CPU or motherboard and not another component?
invesari 9y ago
Updating BIOS is a common thing for newly released CPUs. Things like that are expected if you're building the PC yourself.
- whalesalad 9y ago
  But needing a different chip in the socket? That’s definitely not common and for many not even possible.
  - bootloop 9y ago
    Sure, was the same thing for my AMD FX cpu. Edit: I bought a cheaper cpu on Amazon and after the BIOS update for the new CPU I sent it back.
  - IronBacon 9y ago
    AMD offered a kit to update the BIOS, basically they sent a previous generation CPU to flash the BIOS. On the other hand, with new Intel CPUs you would need new mainboards... ^__^;
    - nobleach 9y ago
      Yes, and kudos to AMD for even doing it. But, it's a two week from acceptance into the program to delivery (in some cases - a week in others).
- zenexer 9y ago
  I've built a lot of machines, and I've never had to update BIOS just to get a standard CPU working.
  - Deathmax 9y ago
    You tend to if you use a motherboard with an older chipset with a newer generation CPU using the same socket (and it hasn't already been updated at the factory). Intel example: Using a 7th generation Kaby Lake CPU on a 6th generation Skylake chipset motherboard. Example of required BIOS update: version 1.F https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170-A-PRO https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170-A-PRO
ww520 9y ago
I got a Ryzen 7 1800X machine from Dell and regret it. It crashes with different BSOD error codes from time to time. A great benchmark is useless if it can't be used smoothly.
- GiorgioG 9y ago
  I wouldn't blame the CPU as much as I would blame Dell. I have had a Threadripper 1950x (2 Ryzen 7 1800X on the same chip IIRC) since launch day and have not had any stability issues (unless I try to overclock it over 4GHZ - but that's my own fault/doing.)
jdietrich 9y ago
The launch of Ryzen G was undoubtedly botched, but AMD did offer a CPU loan program for anyone who needed it: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-will-lend-you-an-older-processor-to-update-your-bios-to-support-a-ryzen-apu/ https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-will-lend-you-an-older-processor...
- nobleach 9y ago
  Isn't that for updating the bios on a board that won't boot with a Ryzen in the socket? It's a 10 day loan.
theandrewbailey 9y ago
I bought a 2400G with a motherboard[0] a day after release. It surprised me that the board came with a compatible BIOS out of the box. (I was thinking that I might have to take my 1800X out of my main rig to flash it.) I built the machine for a friend, and he's been doing some light gaming on it (with a discrete GPU). I ask him every now and then how it's doing, and he says there are no problems. [0]: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157766 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681315...

agumonkey 9y ago

what would a good motherboard support bring ? (open question)

nobleach 9y ago
Processor support? Voltages set reasonably. Just a decent burn in period before sending it out the door. Currently I'm running an ASRock B350M Pro4... and I can't keep that thing running more than 30 minutes. It's not high load that causes the freezing. It's just terrible on every front.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  erf, damning indeed

frou_dh 9y ago

The first generation Ryzen 7 rollout was a bit of a mess as well. What with the (understandably) immature BIOSes, and tons of people RMAing CPUs to be replaced due to the segfaulting issue. AMD seem gaffe-prone. See also the pre-launch hype vs reality of Vega in the gaming space.

shmerl 9y ago
And there is still this: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683 https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196683
AlphaSite 9y ago
Fist gen ryzen desktop had the same sot of teething troubles ever CPU has tbh, but they were somewhat moe publicised and a little bigger (not huge but bigger) due to the cleanroom design.

prolepunk 9y ago

I got it running on asrock ab350 gaming-itx/ac issues found so far: - No dual screen support (the board has 2xHDMI 1.4). The fix is in firmware 4.51A which is still in beta - When installing debian needed to use vga=771 in the console - X11 would freeze a few times but with Linux 4.15.0-2-amd64 that issue seem to have been fixed

jacquesm 9y ago

That's why you typically wait to be 'second best' when new tech hits the market. In the current climate 'early adopter' should actually be interpreted as 'beta tester'.

AmVess 9y ago

I built a standard (non gfx) Ryzen to replace my old back up box, and it's been 99% fine. The only issue is the slow POST time, but that's an MSI thing and not a Ryzen thing. The rollout of new mainboards and Zen+(non gfx integrated) CPU's should be a lot smoother than their initial effort since they've all had a year to learn from their mistakes.

zitterbewegung 9y ago

Other than the BIOS issue I have had no problems with the Ryzen 5 2400G. I have an ASRock board. I tried running Warframe on only the APU but I think I need more memory which is very expensive so I put in an GTX 650. If memory prices go down I should be able to use it with only the processor.

nobleach 9y ago
I did 16gigs of 3200. Be careful as the processor will only support 2400 or 2600Mhz (I can't remember off the top of my head) I don't mind the actual layout or operation of the BIOS. I did have to upgrade it to recognize my M2 NVMe. I've just been trying anything I can to get the thing stable.... to no avail.

linuxftw 9y ago

> I regret every bit of it. Why make a statement without even one item of support as to why you regret it? The ASUS board problem sounds inconvenient, to say the least, but the way your phrased it implies it doesn't effect you in particular. Comments on a popular online electronics retailer's website seem to be positive for this model.

pdabbadabba 9y ago
I'm pretty sure he regretted it because "[w]e still don't have any motherboards that support it well."
- joenathanone 9y ago
  What does that mean exactly?
nobleach 9y ago
No, I've heard good things about the ASUS. The ASRock (which is what I bought) is absolutely terrible. I regret buying the ASRock because I now have a computer that freezes constantly. It's not related to processor load or heat. It simply just doesn't work well at all. Sometimes an hour, sometimes 5 minutes.... I'm hoping I'm phrasing this well enough.
- swindmill 9y ago
  FWIW I am running a two week old Ryzen 5 2400G and ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming-ITX/ac setup with rock solid stability under Windows 10. I did end up having to run my 3200MHz memory at 2933Mhz to avoid some issues. This is the max memory speed the CPU supports anyways so I don't consider it a large loss. The ASRock published memory QVL agrees with my finding that 3200MHz isn't stable with the specific memory I'm using. See https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-ITXac/index.asp#MemoryRR https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty%20X370%20Gaming-ITXac... What ASRock model are you using? Are you sure the culprit is the CPU or motherboard and not another component?

invesari 9y ago

Updating BIOS is a common thing for newly released CPUs. Things like that are expected if you're building the PC yourself.

whalesalad 9y ago
But needing a different chip in the socket? That’s definitely not common and for many not even possible.
- bootloop 9y ago
  Sure, was the same thing for my AMD FX cpu. Edit: I bought a cheaper cpu on Amazon and after the BIOS update for the new CPU I sent it back.
- IronBacon 9y ago
  AMD offered a kit to update the BIOS, basically they sent a previous generation CPU to flash the BIOS. On the other hand, with new Intel CPUs you would need new mainboards... ^__^;
  - nobleach 9y ago
    Yes, and kudos to AMD for even doing it. But, it's a two week from acceptance into the program to delivery (in some cases - a week in others).
zenexer 9y ago
I've built a lot of machines, and I've never had to update BIOS just to get a standard CPU working.
- Deathmax 9y ago
  You tend to if you use a motherboard with an older chipset with a newer generation CPU using the same socket (and it hasn't already been updated at the factory). Intel example: Using a 7th generation Kaby Lake CPU on a 6th generation Skylake chipset motherboard. Example of required BIOS update: version 1.F https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170-A-PRO https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/Z170-A-PRO

ww520 9y ago

I got a Ryzen 7 1800X machine from Dell and regret it. It crashes with different BSOD error codes from time to time. A great benchmark is useless if it can't be used smoothly.

GiorgioG 9y ago
I wouldn't blame the CPU as much as I would blame Dell. I have had a Threadripper 1950x (2 Ryzen 7 1800X on the same chip IIRC) since launch day and have not had any stability issues (unless I try to overclock it over 4GHZ - but that's my own fault/doing.)

jdietrich 9y ago

The launch of Ryzen G was undoubtedly botched, but AMD did offer a CPU loan program for anyone who needed it: https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-will-lend-you-an-older-processor-to-update-your-bios-to-support-a-ryzen-apu/ https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-will-lend-you-an-older-processor...

nobleach 9y ago
Isn't that for updating the bios on a board that won't boot with a Ryzen in the socket? It's a 10 day loan.

theandrewbailey 9y ago

I bought a 2400G with a motherboard[0] a day after release. It surprised me that the board came with a compatible BIOS out of the box. (I was thinking that I might have to take my 1800X out of my main rig to flash it.) I built the machine for a friend, and he's been doing some light gaming on it (with a discrete GPU). I ask him every now and then how it's doing, and he says there are no problems. [0]: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157766 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681315...