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As other commenters have pointed out, these comparisons are confusing, especially when reported as headline figures. There is clear envidence for a “gender pay
by crispyporkbites 9y ago
As other commenters have pointed out, these comparisons are confusing, especially when reported as headline figures.
There is clear envidence for a “gender pay gap” - in that women get paid on average less than men. Whether that is a bad thing which we need to do something about is a different question, which heavily depends on your overall gender role opinions.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago>There is clear envidence for a “gender pay gap” - in that women get paid on average less than men. If you control for education, years of experience, and skills there is no such gap.
- crispyporkbites 9y agoIndeed if you control for these there’s no gap in the outcome variable (pay) but there is a huge gap in the n variable (number of women). The question to ask then is why does that happen? Are the reasons for that valid? Are equal opportunities available? Do we even want equal opportunities as a society or an individual?
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago>The question to ask then is why does that happen? Because women, more typically than men, raise children as their full time job.
- sudoke 9y agoAre women not better equipped to raise children than men? Clearly yes.
- crispyporkbites 9y agoHow so?
- sudoke 9y agoWomen are naturally equipped with the anatomy to feed offspring...
- crispyporkbites 9y agoLike bottles, formula and money?
- SolaceQuantum 9y agoDo you have a source for that claim? From what I’ve understood the gap shrinks to somehing like 4-8%, not that it goes away entirely. I would like studies if it goes away entirely (because I haven’t seen such a study).
- GuB-42 9y agoThe trick here is how to match men with women in order to make the comparison. Do we group by job position, skill level, education, experience? And what is "same experience"? In tech, it is usually counted in years, regardless on how many hours you work during the year. Compare to airline pilots where the metric is flight hours. The same kind questions can be asked for all other points. Even the wage can be tweaked. Is it by year? working day? hour? What about pauses, overtime, work at home, commute time, ... By carefully choosing the metrics, we can say whatever we want.
- JPGalt 9y agoPoint me to the multiple variable analysis and the full report that demonstrates the clear evidence you mention. I have yet to find one and I have tried damn hard.
- crispyporkbites 9y agoYou’re only comparing one variable, pay, so I’m not sure why you want a multivariate analysis. If you’re asking whether there’s a gender pay gap amoung similarly qualified people, then you’re asking a different question.
- JPGalt 9y agoThat is an academically dishonest approach to this or any perceived issue. Anyone who would even begin to approach any issue in a manor as to prove a hypothesis true or untrue would follow the basic scientific method. There are many variables that account for differences in pay. Ignoring them is dishonest and will only be accepted by idiots. Sorry for the harsh words but it is true.