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Matrix.org/Riot.im has all the encryption you could wish for, a modern, useful interface, and a federated model in which everyone can run their own server and t

by nukeop 9y ago

Matrix.org/Riot.im has all the encryption you could wish for, a modern, useful interface, and a federated model in which everyone can run their own server and talk to everyone else, just like email.

sandworm101 9y ago
>>> just like email. That won't be enough for the average Tor Messenger user. Email's failings were the impetus behind both instant messaging and Tor. Users don't want/need federated models. Security aside, they want a convenient little app that will receive messages instantly while online but doesn't have to remain online 24/7.
edhelas 9y ago
As far as I remember you needed quite big servers if you wanted to "federate" with others, like join big chatroom because Matrix will try to replicate the history and keep it in sync. Is it still the case?
- floatboth 9y ago
  If you set caching settings to the absolute minimum and use Postgres, it's not bad. Though occasionally everything slows down and you have to run a query to cleanup (https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1760#issuecomment-272822730 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1760#issuecomme...)
- Arathorn 9y ago
  Yes, if you want to participate in rooms with >10K users or >500 servers you need quite a large box (several GB of RAM) - although over the last few weeks we had several massive algorithmic performance breakthroughs which should help this a lot. these are currently being tested and implemented in Synapse (the python impl).
upofadown 9y ago
What metadata mitigations does matrix have (the point of Tor Messenger)? We already have a federated protocol called XMPP. Sometimes you are interested in not revealing who you are talking to.
Arathorn 9y ago
Matrix doesn’t protect metadata on the server currently - so you have to trust the admins that run the servers you are participating in. In the longer term we want to fix this (https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%20Interop%20and%20Privacy.pdf https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%...) but we haven’t started on it yet.
homulilly 9y ago
Riot's encryption functionality is currently unfinished and not very user friendly, otherwise I'd agree.

by nukeop 9y ago

Matrix.org/Riot.im has all the encryption you could wish for, a modern, useful interface, and a federated model in which everyone can run their own server and talk to everyone else, just like email.

sandworm101 9y ago

>>> just like email. That won't be enough for the average Tor Messenger user. Email's failings were the impetus behind both instant messaging and Tor. Users don't want/need federated models. Security aside, they want a convenient little app that will receive messages instantly while online but doesn't have to remain online 24/7.

edhelas 9y ago

As far as I remember you needed quite big servers if you wanted to "federate" with others, like join big chatroom because Matrix will try to replicate the history and keep it in sync. Is it still the case?

floatboth 9y ago
If you set caching settings to the absolute minimum and use Postgres, it's not bad. Though occasionally everything slows down and you have to run a query to cleanup (https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1760#issuecomment-272822730 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/issues/1760#issuecomme...)
Arathorn 9y ago
Yes, if you want to participate in rooms with >10K users or >500 servers you need quite a large box (several GB of RAM) - although over the last few weeks we had several massive algorithmic performance breakthroughs which should help this a lot. these are currently being tested and implemented in Synapse (the python impl).

upofadown 9y ago

What metadata mitigations does matrix have (the point of Tor Messenger)? We already have a federated protocol called XMPP. Sometimes you are interested in not revealing who you are talking to.

Arathorn 9y ago

Matrix doesn’t protect metadata on the server currently - so you have to trust the admins that run the servers you are participating in. In the longer term we want to fix this (https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%20Interop%20and%20Privacy.pdf https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%...) but we haven’t started on it yet.

homulilly 9y ago

Riot's encryption functionality is currently unfinished and not very user friendly, otherwise I'd agree.