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Your general concern is well taken, but clicking on something once will not "define you and your experience for years." The system will respond to your initial

Your general concern is well taken, but clicking on something once will not "define you and your experience for years." The system will respond to your initial click by introducing similar content to your feed, but if you don't click on those stories, the effect will be transient. Failure to engage is itself a form of feedback, for better or worse.

duxup 9y ago
I don't doubt that works that way sometimes... but man somewhere along the line I googled a Nebraska Cornhusker football score and Google randomly brings it up again and again and again.... even when I give it feedback that I don't want that information, it comes back later on. I feel like I've seen this behavior on other sites and systems as well. I've no doubt the prioritization initially works, but it seems there are other factors at play that seem to bring up old data. In my case my team is not nearly as popular as Nebraska so I suspect the logic very roughly ends up something like "Ok he watches college football and oh hey this Nebraska story is really popular and stories about that team are big now so here ya go..."
- washadjeffmad 9y ago
  After a university in another state sent me an unsolicited email offer (never opened), my google feed started showing me everything about that school, even going as far as setting up notifications for its class registration calendar. The feed started to loop in college football and greek life news, which are incredibly off base for my actual and actively searched interest history. I spent a year slowly cultivating a pretty decent feed of relevant content on my Pixel, and it went full Netflix 2010 seemingly overnight. Early Netflix suggestions, no matter how selective and consistent your selections over many years, could be instantly subverted by your lonely sister-in-law getting on your account one Saturday night and watching a few foreign language romance flicks. After that, you'd never really stop getting recommendations for "movies starring sexually aggressive male leads" or "films with actors who look like Antonio Banderas". I think I'm done being used to train everyone's algorithms.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    Heaven forbid you entertain your 6yo niece for a day, and find she's polluted your Netflix with the most insanely numb drivel that passes for animation today. It takes months to expunge. What's wrong with Netflix anyway, that one off-topic movie can sway your 'preferences' so drastically?
    - lakechfoma 9y ago
      I find Netflix doesn't recommend anything based on my behavior at all anymore. Now literally the first 5 or so rows of content on the home page is a random spattering of "originals". But they definitely do select the title image based on my past behavior. So not helpful
  - duxup 9y ago
    I hear ya man. These algorithms seem to fall into stupid uselessness after just one error or prioritization change .... like code does.... normally.... but it is telling that the "intelligence" behind these things is still ultra fragile as far as their ability to cease to function as far as the user is concerned. Hal 9000 failed because he was told to lie.... You'd think that prioritization would be easy on the outside. Granted it was a story but it seems to fit that a minor change results in a collapse as far as function goes.
- quadrangle 9y ago
  Yeah, and it's beyond that. What if you weren't totally opposed to continuing that interest? If you're half interested in the next article, the whole thing will be reinforced. You find yourself genuinely half-interested ongoing, and this becomes part of your life. It's one thing when something you don't care about keeps showing up. It's another to think, "I'm actually interested, but if I click this once, then I'm liable to effectively commit to this staking a permanent place in the half-interesting things that fill my life from here on!".
fyfy18 9y ago
Amazon is probably more well placed to make an informed decision, as it’s most likely the products you look at, but don’t buy, that you are probably interested in. Unfortunately in reality that doesn’t seem to be the case. Last week I bought some wireless headphones, and now my feed shows a bunch of those. It also keeps showing me books by an author who I bought a series from, but never finished (on Kindle). And a selection of Spanish books, that my wife needed once for her studies. And for some reason a load of large kitchen applicances.

duxup 9y ago

I don't doubt that works that way sometimes... but man somewhere along the line I googled a Nebraska Cornhusker football score and Google randomly brings it up again and again and again.... even when I give it feedback that I don't want that information, it comes back later on. I feel like I've seen this behavior on other sites and systems as well. I've no doubt the prioritization initially works, but it seems there are other factors at play that seem to bring up old data. In my case my team is not nearly as popular as Nebraska so I suspect the logic very roughly ends up something like "Ok he watches college football and oh hey this Nebraska story is really popular and stories about that team are big now so here ya go..."

washadjeffmad 9y ago
After a university in another state sent me an unsolicited email offer (never opened), my google feed started showing me everything about that school, even going as far as setting up notifications for its class registration calendar. The feed started to loop in college football and greek life news, which are incredibly off base for my actual and actively searched interest history. I spent a year slowly cultivating a pretty decent feed of relevant content on my Pixel, and it went full Netflix 2010 seemingly overnight. Early Netflix suggestions, no matter how selective and consistent your selections over many years, could be instantly subverted by your lonely sister-in-law getting on your account one Saturday night and watching a few foreign language romance flicks. After that, you'd never really stop getting recommendations for "movies starring sexually aggressive male leads" or "films with actors who look like Antonio Banderas". I think I'm done being used to train everyone's algorithms.
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  Heaven forbid you entertain your 6yo niece for a day, and find she's polluted your Netflix with the most insanely numb drivel that passes for animation today. It takes months to expunge. What's wrong with Netflix anyway, that one off-topic movie can sway your 'preferences' so drastically?
  - lakechfoma 9y ago
    I find Netflix doesn't recommend anything based on my behavior at all anymore. Now literally the first 5 or so rows of content on the home page is a random spattering of "originals". But they definitely do select the title image based on my past behavior. So not helpful
- duxup 9y ago
  I hear ya man. These algorithms seem to fall into stupid uselessness after just one error or prioritization change .... like code does.... normally.... but it is telling that the "intelligence" behind these things is still ultra fragile as far as their ability to cease to function as far as the user is concerned. Hal 9000 failed because he was told to lie.... You'd think that prioritization would be easy on the outside. Granted it was a story but it seems to fit that a minor change results in a collapse as far as function goes.
quadrangle 9y ago
Yeah, and it's beyond that. What if you weren't totally opposed to continuing that interest? If you're half interested in the next article, the whole thing will be reinforced. You find yourself genuinely half-interested ongoing, and this becomes part of your life. It's one thing when something you don't care about keeps showing up. It's another to think, "I'm actually interested, but if I click this once, then I'm liable to effectively commit to this staking a permanent place in the half-interesting things that fill my life from here on!".

fyfy18 9y ago

Amazon is probably more well placed to make an informed decision, as it’s most likely the products you look at, but don’t buy, that you are probably interested in. Unfortunately in reality that doesn’t seem to be the case. Last week I bought some wireless headphones, and now my feed shows a bunch of those. It also keeps showing me books by an author who I bought a series from, but never finished (on Kindle). And a selection of Spanish books, that my wife needed once for her studies. And for some reason a load of large kitchen applicances.