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Learn much from overcommitting and under-delivering yet [1] Still waiting on the self-driving vaporware that thousands paid advance for... 1. https://twitter.

by jijojv 9y ago

Learn much from overcommitting and under-delivering yet [1] Still waiting on the self-driving vaporware that thousands paid advance for... 1. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/823727035088416768 3 months maybe, 6 months definitely 23 Jan 2017

Shivetya 9y ago
The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to understand that Tesla is not the only company that can deliver self driving hardware nor are they the only manufacturer of EVs. They are currently the maker of the more desired EV but with some of the old school automakers joining the fray they will see their high end model profit vanish. finally, I am still not convinced they ever plan to actually sell a base model. downvote edit Please see an owner recreation using the same version AP with the same condition zhttps://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I What is the rational thought it permitting that on the road.
- dewski 9y ago
  Why aren't you convinced they ever plan to sell a base model? They've been very clear when in their production schedule they would ship the base model. It makes sense to get the production nailed down with all possible options then scale back for basic models then to start basic and go through production pains making more complex models.
  - Jesus_Jones 9y ago
    I would think you always sell the cheap model after selling the expensive ones, especially if you are a smaller company with less money coming through the pipes.
- jijojv 9y ago
  They don't have to suspend Autopilot as legally they can claim they require you to be fully alert at all times. Of-course this negates all benefits of Autopilot and still let's them continue to scam people into selling Tesla's as more safer than common adaptive cruise control.
  - Shivetya 9y ago
    https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I that is what happened in the recent fatality, tell me how that is even remotely acceptable regardless of disclaimers. I seriously doubt adaptive cruise control would do the same, the majority of them work by following other vehicles.
    - refurb 9y ago
      I agree. It's one thing to say "the technology won't always save you from an accident" and entirely different to say "sometimes the technology will drive you into a wall".
    - valuearb 9y ago
      Adaptive cruise control plus lane assist would do same thing.
- calvinbhai 9y ago
  The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Is it impossible to have a fatal crash when you set the car on cruise control and doze off? Chances are probably exponentially higher than that of a Tesla on an Autopilot.
  - buvanshak 9y ago
    >The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Cruise control ll control the steering? I thought it just maintain the speed...
  - mdorazio 9y ago
    No, the same rationale does not apply at all. It's not even close. Cruise control does nothing but maintain a set speed. No steering, no lane assist, nothing else. All drivers know that if they set cruise control, they are still in control of the car and have to remain aware of the road to handle all the actual driving while their foot gets a break. On the other hand, here was a conversation with my dad in his Model 3 yesterday: Me: Why aren't your hands on the wheel? Him: They don't need to be. It tells me once in a while when I need to touch the wheel. Think about that for a minute. This is representative of your average driver. People are so blindly trusting of autopilot that they deliberately don't even touch the wheel at all, opting instead to play with their phone until the car nags them to pay attention for one second. This is so completely different than cruise control that the two are barely comparable in terms of driver mindset.
    - shanghaiaway 9y ago
      That's not even the average driver, but an early adopter. The average driver would more likely think they can take a nap in the back seat while autopilot drives them to the office.

by jijojv 9y ago

Shivetya 9y ago

The NHTSA faulted Tesla for the last fatal crash and its likely they will get faulted for the current. I am just shocked that after this one that they haven't suspended its use. The level of chutzpah this company operates at is very dangerous to its future but the public as well. The production issues are a whole different can of worms but the autonomous driving accidents are what the public sees. People need to understand that Tesla is not the only company that can deliver self driving hardware nor are they the only manufacturer of EVs. They are currently the maker of the more desired EV but with some of the old school automakers joining the fray they will see their high end model profit vanish. finally, I am still not convinced they ever plan to actually sell a base model. downvote edit Please see an owner recreation using the same version AP with the same condition zhttps://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I What is the rational thought it permitting that on the road.

dewski 9y ago
Why aren't you convinced they ever plan to sell a base model? They've been very clear when in their production schedule they would ship the base model. It makes sense to get the production nailed down with all possible options then scale back for basic models then to start basic and go through production pains making more complex models.
- Jesus_Jones 9y ago
  I would think you always sell the cheap model after selling the expensive ones, especially if you are a smaller company with less money coming through the pipes.
jijojv 9y ago
They don't have to suspend Autopilot as legally they can claim they require you to be fully alert at all times. Of-course this negates all benefits of Autopilot and still let's them continue to scam people into selling Tesla's as more safer than common adaptive cruise control.
- Shivetya 9y ago
  https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I https://youtu.be/6QCF8tVqM3I that is what happened in the recent fatality, tell me how that is even remotely acceptable regardless of disclaimers. I seriously doubt adaptive cruise control would do the same, the majority of them work by following other vehicles.
  - refurb 9y ago
    I agree. It's one thing to say "the technology won't always save you from an accident" and entirely different to say "sometimes the technology will drive you into a wall".
  - valuearb 9y ago
    Adaptive cruise control plus lane assist would do same thing.
calvinbhai 9y ago
The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Is it impossible to have a fatal crash when you set the car on cruise control and doze off? Chances are probably exponentially higher than that of a Tesla on an Autopilot.
- buvanshak 9y ago
  >The same rationale that applies for allowing cars with Cruise Control? Cruise control ll control the steering? I thought it just maintain the speed...
- mdorazio 9y ago
  No, the same rationale does not apply at all. It's not even close. Cruise control does nothing but maintain a set speed. No steering, no lane assist, nothing else. All drivers know that if they set cruise control, they are still in control of the car and have to remain aware of the road to handle all the actual driving while their foot gets a break. On the other hand, here was a conversation with my dad in his Model 3 yesterday: Me: Why aren't your hands on the wheel? Him: They don't need to be. It tells me once in a while when I need to touch the wheel. Think about that for a minute. This is representative of your average driver. People are so blindly trusting of autopilot that they deliberately don't even touch the wheel at all, opting instead to play with their phone until the car nags them to pay attention for one second. This is so completely different than cruise control that the two are barely comparable in terms of driver mindset.
  - shanghaiaway 9y ago
    That's not even the average driver, but an early adopter. The average driver would more likely think they can take a nap in the back seat while autopilot drives them to the office.