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> Yes, because the H1Bs are the reason people in rural West Virginia are suffering. There is a huge amount of semi-skilled IT work that has been shifted to Ind

> Yes, because the H1Bs are the reason people in rural West Virginia are suffering. There is a huge amount of semi-skilled IT work that has been shifted to India. Enough to employ millions in the US. And this kind of work is a good stepping stone to higher skilled IT work. A large proportion of this work would never have shifted without H1B/L1. If you work at one of the big body shops you will see how they constantly rotate Indian developers between India and the US. The outsourcing of the late 90s and early 00s never would have happened without this.

rickycook 9y ago
i’m not sure that you can put “shifted to india” and “h1b” in the same argument. isn’t h1b a visa to allow you to work in the US? don’t live there so don’t know; could be wrong
- sheepmullet 9y ago
  > isn’t h1b a visa to allow you to work in the US? Yes, and the professional services companies (the body shops I was referring to above) need people on-site in the US. They act as the bridge between the client and offshore workers. During the outsourcing craze it was incredibly common to bring over a team from India, spend 6-12 months training them up, and then lay off the American workers.
  - Clubber 9y ago
    Disney did it just a year or two ago. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/disney-ex-employees-sue-company-giving-jobs-indian-workers-article-1.2910579 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/disney-ex-employees...
  - dmode 9y ago
    I am not sure you have done your research. Trump's incompetence is ironically helping Indian outsourcers as they can easily abide by Specialty Occupation and Employer Employee control guidance specified by H1. Trump's policy actually is ending up hurting folks who work in Googles and Amazons of the world in related positions like Data Scientist, Growth Makeeteer etc. Because some of these roles can be challenged as "Specialty Occupation". Further, claiming down on Indian outsourcing companies will not increase American jobs, but will lead to lower blended ratio and more offshoring. No one is ready to pay huge wages to maintain an aging ERP implementations
    - sheepmullet 9y ago
      > Further, claiming down on Indian outsourcing companies will not increase American jobs Of course it will - Indian outsourcing companies only have onshore staff because they have to. > No one is ready to pay huge wages to maintain an aging ERP implementations Costs were only 10-15% higher when the work was done locally. Companies will pay what they have to - I have no doubt American devs can be competitive in this space. In the long term it will hasten the shift to cloud erp solutions and towards providers with a lower maintenance burden - IMO not a bad thing.

rickycook 9y ago

i’m not sure that you can put “shifted to india” and “h1b” in the same argument. isn’t h1b a visa to allow you to work in the US? don’t live there so don’t know; could be wrong

sheepmullet 9y ago
> isn’t h1b a visa to allow you to work in the US? Yes, and the professional services companies (the body shops I was referring to above) need people on-site in the US. They act as the bridge between the client and offshore workers. During the outsourcing craze it was incredibly common to bring over a team from India, spend 6-12 months training them up, and then lay off the American workers.
- Clubber 9y ago
  Disney did it just a year or two ago. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/disney-ex-employees-sue-company-giving-jobs-indian-workers-article-1.2910579 http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/disney-ex-employees...
- dmode 9y ago
  I am not sure you have done your research. Trump's incompetence is ironically helping Indian outsourcers as they can easily abide by Specialty Occupation and Employer Employee control guidance specified by H1. Trump's policy actually is ending up hurting folks who work in Googles and Amazons of the world in related positions like Data Scientist, Growth Makeeteer etc. Because some of these roles can be challenged as "Specialty Occupation". Further, claiming down on Indian outsourcing companies will not increase American jobs, but will lead to lower blended ratio and more offshoring. No one is ready to pay huge wages to maintain an aging ERP implementations
  - sheepmullet 9y ago
    > Further, claiming down on Indian outsourcing companies will not increase American jobs Of course it will - Indian outsourcing companies only have onshore staff because they have to. > No one is ready to pay huge wages to maintain an aging ERP implementations Costs were only 10-15% higher when the work was done locally. Companies will pay what they have to - I have no doubt American devs can be competitive in this space. In the long term it will hasten the shift to cloud erp solutions and towards providers with a lower maintenance burden - IMO not a bad thing.