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What parts of your workflow do you think are uniquely enhanced by not being on Mac?

bb88 9y ago
For me, 1. Getting packages with apt on ubuntu without installing homebrew. It's vastly simpler and natively supported by ubuntu. I can also update my entire system with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade. 2. Native docker support. 3. On mac, I always ask the question whether something is ctrl-c or cmd-c, say. On linux it's always ctrl. 4. I don't have to login to the apple store to get the software I need. 5. Linux has always been command-line first. On mac it's always been GUI first. 6. Macbooks are terribly built, and fail for a number of reasons. [1] 7. The Apple brand, while it used to be one of homebrew is now akin to one of fashion. It's kind of like seeing all the kids walk around with their "Hollister" t-shirts on. I could go on I suppose but those are the meat of the issues. 1: Louis Rossmann's macbook repair channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrYOWlKJ_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrYOWlKJ_g
- tjr225 9y ago
  2 - docker works flawlessly on macos 4 - i cant think of a single application, outside of maybe xcode, a developer might need to sign into the app store for 6 - whatever reasons that youtuber might have for not using macbooks, i will never buy a non-mac notebook ever again. this 2013 13" mbp has been the best and most reliable computer I have ever had in 30 years and I bought it used! 7 - sure the apple brand is cool but i don't get your point? doesn't it mean that you care about the branding so much so that you won't use it? do you see where I'm going?
  - meddlepal 9y ago
    > docker works flawlessly on macos He said nothing about "fine". Docker on Mac is through a VM and thus not native. Containerization in MacOS is impossible without a VM.
    - nyrikki 9y ago
      Exactly, on linux you have the entire CPU and memory space to use, as it is just a mapped name space. I will add that the usefulness of seeing the containers PIDS in ps and other tools is more useful than most mac/windows users realize. xhyve died on the vine it appears, but did make things a bit better.
    - akvadrako 9y ago
      Containers, sandboxes and zones are all different names for the same thing. macOS and iOS actually have quite good sandboxing support.
      - Accacin 9y ago
        False, https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/containers-zones-jails-vms/ https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/containers-zones-jails-vms/.
  - bb88 9y ago
    6: Go watch a few videos. He repairs macbooks -- for a living. Apple just keeps sending business his way. Pro-tip: If you spill water on the keyboard, shut the MBP off immediately and send it in to the apple repair shop to get cleaned. If the MBP is on while there's water on the logic board, rust will form, either short circuiting chips, or rusting out the copper traces. 7: Apple used to be an amazing technology company giving the world wonderful computing devices. Today, it's a fashion accessory company. Mac OS doesn't run in the cloud. It is not the core OS that runs our infrastructure or space programs. And lastly it doesn't capture our imagination anymore. That throne has been passed to Elon Musk with Tesla, SpaceX and Hyperloop.
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    > 2 - docker works flawlessly on macos not true it works fine in a linux in virtualbox
  - herbst 9y ago
    I bought a 3000 dollar, 2015 MBP with serious heating issues. Which I was told is 'normal'. This pretty much killed any idea that I had that i deal with quality devices there. I knew they are fragile, I didn't know that using the actual cpu performance for more than a few minutes is a problem.
  - jdbernard 9y ago
    > 2 - docker works flawless on macos Lol, nope. At the job I just left almost all of our team had MacBook Pros. We ran our entire dev stack with docker-compose and wasted so much time dealing with broken docker crap that ultimately stemmed from the fact that you're not running docker natively, but rather in a VM. I wish I could still query the Jira database. I could throw out tons of specific issues.
- fooker 9y ago
  >On linux it's always ctrl. Unless you want to copy from the terminal, where it is ctrl + shift + C.
  - bb88 9y ago
    I highlight the text and middle mouse button for paste.
    - fooker 9y ago
      And on a Mac, you do Cmd+C. Neither maintains uniformity.
      - FabHK 9y ago
        On macOS, it's very simple, consistent, and intuitive: GUI menu shortcuts are invoked with Cmd, and that includes copy/paste. CLI shortcuts work as always (and there's no overlap, because of the extra Cmd key).
        bb88 9y ago
        ctrl-C not command-c to exit a process.
    - PascLeRasc 9y ago
      Didn't you say you liked command-line interfaces, not GUIs?
      - jrockway 9y ago
        I'm not sure how using a mouse to select text means that you're using a GUI. I spend most of my working day in an Emacs window, which is ostensibly text, but it doesn't mean that there aren't cases where selecting some text with the mouse is faster than moving the cursor to the text by retyping it. People have been using mice with computers before windowing systems were even invented.
- tibyat 9y ago
  hungry troll

bb88 9y ago

For me, 1. Getting packages with apt on ubuntu without installing homebrew. It's vastly simpler and natively supported by ubuntu. I can also update my entire system with sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade. 2. Native docker support. 3. On mac, I always ask the question whether something is ctrl-c or cmd-c, say. On linux it's always ctrl. 4. I don't have to login to the apple store to get the software I need. 5. Linux has always been command-line first. On mac it's always been GUI first. 6. Macbooks are terribly built, and fail for a number of reasons. [1] 7. The Apple brand, while it used to be one of homebrew is now akin to one of fashion. It's kind of like seeing all the kids walk around with their "Hollister" t-shirts on. I could go on I suppose but those are the meat of the issues. 1: Louis Rossmann's macbook repair channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrYOWlKJ_g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfrYOWlKJ_g

tjr225 9y ago
2 - docker works flawlessly on macos 4 - i cant think of a single application, outside of maybe xcode, a developer might need to sign into the app store for 6 - whatever reasons that youtuber might have for not using macbooks, i will never buy a non-mac notebook ever again. this 2013 13" mbp has been the best and most reliable computer I have ever had in 30 years and I bought it used! 7 - sure the apple brand is cool but i don't get your point? doesn't it mean that you care about the branding so much so that you won't use it? do you see where I'm going?
- meddlepal 9y ago
  > docker works flawlessly on macos He said nothing about "fine". Docker on Mac is through a VM and thus not native. Containerization in MacOS is impossible without a VM.
  - nyrikki 9y ago
    Exactly, on linux you have the entire CPU and memory space to use, as it is just a mapped name space. I will add that the usefulness of seeing the containers PIDS in ps and other tools is more useful than most mac/windows users realize. xhyve died on the vine it appears, but did make things a bit better.
  - akvadrako 9y ago
    Containers, sandboxes and zones are all different names for the same thing. macOS and iOS actually have quite good sandboxing support.
    - Accacin 9y ago
      False, https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/containers-zones-jails-vms/ https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/containers-zones-jails-vms/.
- bb88 9y ago
  6: Go watch a few videos. He repairs macbooks -- for a living. Apple just keeps sending business his way. Pro-tip: If you spill water on the keyboard, shut the MBP off immediately and send it in to the apple repair shop to get cleaned. If the MBP is on while there's water on the logic board, rust will form, either short circuiting chips, or rusting out the copper traces. 7: Apple used to be an amazing technology company giving the world wonderful computing devices. Today, it's a fashion accessory company. Mac OS doesn't run in the cloud. It is not the core OS that runs our infrastructure or space programs. And lastly it doesn't capture our imagination anymore. That throne has been passed to Elon Musk with Tesla, SpaceX and Hyperloop.
- walterstucco 9y ago
  > 2 - docker works flawlessly on macos not true it works fine in a linux in virtualbox
- herbst 9y ago
  I bought a 3000 dollar, 2015 MBP with serious heating issues. Which I was told is 'normal'. This pretty much killed any idea that I had that i deal with quality devices there. I knew they are fragile, I didn't know that using the actual cpu performance for more than a few minutes is a problem.
- jdbernard 9y ago
  > 2 - docker works flawless on macos Lol, nope. At the job I just left almost all of our team had MacBook Pros. We ran our entire dev stack with docker-compose and wasted so much time dealing with broken docker crap that ultimately stemmed from the fact that you're not running docker natively, but rather in a VM. I wish I could still query the Jira database. I could throw out tons of specific issues.
fooker 9y ago
>On linux it's always ctrl. Unless you want to copy from the terminal, where it is ctrl + shift + C.
- bb88 9y ago
  I highlight the text and middle mouse button for paste.
  - fooker 9y ago
    And on a Mac, you do Cmd+C. Neither maintains uniformity.
    - FabHK 9y ago
      On macOS, it's very simple, consistent, and intuitive: GUI menu shortcuts are invoked with Cmd, and that includes copy/paste. CLI shortcuts work as always (and there's no overlap, because of the extra Cmd key).
      - bb88 9y ago
        ctrl-C not command-c to exit a process.
  - PascLeRasc 9y ago
    Didn't you say you liked command-line interfaces, not GUIs?
    - jrockway 9y ago
      I'm not sure how using a mouse to select text means that you're using a GUI. I spend most of my working day in an Emacs window, which is ostensibly text, but it doesn't mean that there aren't cases where selecting some text with the mouse is faster than moving the cursor to the text by retyping it. People have been using mice with computers before windowing systems were even invented.
tibyat 9y ago
hungry troll