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That's why some people believe that in 10 years we won't have docker, we won't have kubernetes, but that it will be intuitively integrated into the OS through n

by erikb 9y ago

That's why some people believe that in 10 years we won't have docker, we won't have kubernetes, but that it will be intuitively integrated into the OS through new system design patterns that still have to appear out of all the crazy experiments we're doing.

hodgesrm 9y ago
That might be true of Docker. Kubernetes on the other hand is a way to deploy and manage distributed applications, which are by definition bigger than any single OS.
- monocasa 9y ago
  Not if the OS starts to intrinsically view itself as a node in a distributed system. Mainframes sort of see SMP and separate nodes connected over a network as two sides of the same coin, just loosely vs. tightly coupled. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSGU8G_12.1.0/com.ibm.admin.doc/ids_admin_1049.htm https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSGU8G_12.1.0...
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Also Plan9: "Since CPU servers and terminals use the same kernel, users may choose to run programs locally on their terminals or remotely on CPU servers. The organization of Plan 9 hides the details of system connectivity allowing both users and administrators to configure their environment to be as distributed or centralized as they wish. Simple commands support the construction of a locally represented name space spanning many machines and networks. At work, users tend to use their terminals like workstations, running interactive programs locally and reserving the CPU servers for data or compute intensive jobs such as compiling and computing chess endgames. At home or when connected over a slow network, users tend to do most work on the CPU server to minimize traffic on the slow links. The goal of the network organization is to provide the same environment to the user wherever resources are used." http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/net/ http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/net/
- erikb 9y ago
  Most Network protocols are a state machine in the kernel. That the end result of a tcp state machine is a communication between two computers is more of a lucky coincidence, that results from smart state machine design.
Annatar 9y ago
That already exists and has existed for several years now: SmartOS. imgadm(1M) and vmadm(1M) are core parts of the OS and do what Docker does, and more. Built not as an experiment, but to power a large scale commercial cloud business. And freeware / open source since before the project went live by virtue of OpenSolaris (now illumos).

by erikb 9y ago

hodgesrm 9y ago

That might be true of Docker. Kubernetes on the other hand is a way to deploy and manage distributed applications, which are by definition bigger than any single OS.

monocasa 9y ago
Not if the OS starts to intrinsically view itself as a node in a distributed system. Mainframes sort of see SMP and separate nodes connected over a network as two sides of the same coin, just loosely vs. tightly coupled. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSGU8G_12.1.0/com.ibm.admin.doc/ids_admin_1049.htm https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSGU8G_12.1.0...
- icebraining 9y ago
  Also Plan9: "Since CPU servers and terminals use the same kernel, users may choose to run programs locally on their terminals or remotely on CPU servers. The organization of Plan 9 hides the details of system connectivity allowing both users and administrators to configure their environment to be as distributed or centralized as they wish. Simple commands support the construction of a locally represented name space spanning many machines and networks. At work, users tend to use their terminals like workstations, running interactive programs locally and reserving the CPU servers for data or compute intensive jobs such as compiling and computing chess endgames. At home or when connected over a slow network, users tend to do most work on the CPU server to minimize traffic on the slow links. The goal of the network organization is to provide the same environment to the user wherever resources are used." http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/net/ http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/net/
erikb 9y ago
Most Network protocols are a state machine in the kernel. That the end result of a tcp state machine is a communication between two computers is more of a lucky coincidence, that results from smart state machine design.

Annatar 9y ago

That already exists and has existed for several years now: SmartOS. imgadm(1M) and vmadm(1M) are core parts of the OS and do what Docker does, and more. Built not as an experiment, but to power a large scale commercial cloud business. And freeware / open source since before the project went live by virtue of OpenSolaris (now illumos).