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I'd be interested to see how Scruff/Jack'd/etc stacks up. My guess is Scruff does better (it has always been a better designed/developed app) but I understand w
by joshstrange 9y ago
I'd be interested to see how Scruff/Jack'd/etc stacks up. My guess is Scruff does better (it has always been a better designed/developed app) but I understand why they focused only on Grindr as it does have the largest market share (admittedly a guess).
Grindr has never been exactly a bastion of good programming... Their app has always been subpar at best with infrequent updates, months/year long bugs, terrible UI/Navigation, lack of features that could be coded up in a weeks time that would GREATLY improve the experience (Message archival/hiding), and I could go on. It would be one thing if they features were relegated to the paid version (Grindr Xtra) but the only really big feature for Xtra is push notifications for when you get a new message.
All of this is to say the fact they are using HTTP to talk to these analytics/ad companies doesn't shock me at all. My bet is they haven't updated the libraries for these services in forever (which wouldn't be too hard to investigate).
As for HIV status getting sent it really depends on the service. They are not subject to HIPAA (even if you wish they were) so they can do this and I'm sure for targeting ads it makes sense. No need to waste ad dollars on "Get tested for HIV" for people who already know they are positive. As someone in this community and knows the orgs that pay for some of these ads are severely underfunded I have hard time saying this isn't important to make sure your ad dollars go as far as they can.
Lastly for people saying "just don't enter your status" you clearly don't understand this community, I'm sorry. But people who are positive face a HUGE stigma. Chatting on Grindr/Scruff is already an emotionally draining experience in a lot of cases, I don't you all want the details but let's just say failed conversations (for most people at least) don't exactly fill you with confidence/self-worth (yes there is a whole other discussion to be had there I'm sure). So waiting until you start a conversation to tell someone you are positive (instead of it being in your profile) is going to lead to even more failed conversations. If I were positive I think I'd trade my status away to analytics/ad companies in exchange for not having to talk to people who aren't interested in the first place. I'm saying that as a white male living in the US so depending on your situation you may disagree.
- lotharbot 9y agothe CEO of Scruff replied elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16738283 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16738283
- tallanvor 9y agoGrindr has the largest share of users by far. I suspect SCRUFF is #2, both because it is almost as old, but also because they clearly skew towards a different segment of the community. I assume that Jack'd and Hornet are more popular in certain geographical areas. But I agree with pretty much everything you say, except for wanting to emphasis that getting people to enter their status is crucial in helping to normalize regular testing, safe sex practices, and allowing HIV+ individuals to be open members of the community.
- joshstrange 9y agoIt's kind of funny, and while this wasn't always the case until I educated myself on it, but I trust/feel safer with people who are positive more than those who aren't in some ways. Having sex with something who is positive but undetectable (even unprotected) is better than having sex with someone who doesn't know their status. Even putting HIV aside people who are positive are being tested much more regularly than the general public. Similarly to people on PrEP as they are required to get tested (only for HIV but I know a number of people who also take the opportunity to get tested for other things) every 3 months.