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> It was also missing key immigration reforms that Trump said he needed to see. "Key immigration reforms" is a great way to spin additional constraints on lega

> It was also missing key immigration reforms that Trump said he needed to see. "Key immigration reforms" is a great way to spin additional constraints on legal family-reunification, that exact program which allowed Melania's family to join her here in this country. He's closing the doors that he and his family used to come here and amass wealth.

zaroth 9y ago
Well it was more than just chain migration he wanted changed. Also the “diversity lottery” and overall limits. No question Trump represents a large segment of Americans who want to see less immigration overall, and more selective granting of visas and green cards. The doors, so to speak, would remain decidedly open, to the tune of about a half million green cards per year. Historically average.
- bradleyankrom 9y ago
  Visas would be disproportionately skewed toward people from well-off countries, effectively closing the door to people who want to pursue better lives in America for themselves and their families.
- omegaworks 9y ago
  >No question Trump represents a large segment of Americans There is plenty to question here. Given the CA news and additional leaks regarding the campaign he ran, Trump does not in fact represent a large segment of Americans. At best, he represents a well-targeted, vocal minority. Specifically, with his actions and his words he is representing and providing a megaphone for the worst xenophobic elements of our society [1]. >The doors, so to speak, would remain decidedly open Speak to anyone with DACA or TPS, those doors are decidedly closed. 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d...
  - zaroth 9y ago
    You might want to recheck Trump’s approval ratings. Oh and the “Trump Defends White Nationalists” trope? Here’s the video [1] and here’s the quote; “You had some very bad people in the group. But you also had people, that were very fine people, on both sides.... So you know what, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists, okay, and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.” If you have an issue with DACA maybe talk to your congressman. Trump’s been trying to get a legal fix for DACA for months now. As far as TPS is concerned, maybe the “T” doesn’t stand for what I think it does, but 2001-2018 seems pretty generous for the Salvadorans. Unless you’re telling me those countries are still too ravaged from natural disasters over a decade ago to return to? But I’ll stand by the assertion that while we do have borders and we do enforce immigration law, we also provide entry for half a million immigrants a year. It seems like you’re claiming that because you can cite a specific special interest that isn’t being granted special citizenship outside the legal system that has existed for decades, therefore the doors are closed and that’s somehow xenophobic. I personally think that’s inaccurate and perhaps hyperbolic. While you’re entitled to your opinion, I think a large portion of the country will continue to have reasonable and open debate as to what levels of immigration is right for the country, and how we should select for those immigrants, without resorting to calling it xenophobic. [1] - https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs
    - omegaworks 9y ago
      >you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists, okay, and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. You should recall what the rally was about, and what "that group" was trying to accomplish. That group was opposing the removal of monument to a general that fought a treasonous war against our country over the right for humans to keep other humans enslaved. Heather Heyer, an anti-racist protester, was murdered by a member of "that group" that ran her over with a car. >Trump’s been trying to get a legal fix for DACA for months now. Trump has been using these children as pawns in a ploy to close doors for legal immigrants. He does not offer fixes, the conman only offers cons. > As far as TPS is concerned, maybe the “T” doesn’t stand for what I think it does TPS was a compromise reached with a cadre of powerful xenophobes. It in no way excused or repaired the damage done to El Salvador by the civil war promulgated by the US-backed right-wing government[1]. The people that were displaced by the war and earthquake should have been granted asylum and a path to full citizenship, instead they were left in limbo and abandoned by our leaders, on both sides of the aisle. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War

zaroth 9y ago

Well it was more than just chain migration he wanted changed. Also the “diversity lottery” and overall limits. No question Trump represents a large segment of Americans who want to see less immigration overall, and more selective granting of visas and green cards. The doors, so to speak, would remain decidedly open, to the tune of about a half million green cards per year. Historically average.

bradleyankrom 9y ago
Visas would be disproportionately skewed toward people from well-off countries, effectively closing the door to people who want to pursue better lives in America for themselves and their families.
omegaworks 9y ago
>No question Trump represents a large segment of Americans There is plenty to question here. Given the CA news and additional leaks regarding the campaign he ran, Trump does not in fact represent a large segment of Americans. At best, he represents a well-targeted, vocal minority. Specifically, with his actions and his words he is representing and providing a megaphone for the worst xenophobic elements of our society [1]. >The doors, so to speak, would remain decidedly open Speak to anyone with DACA or TPS, those doors are decidedly closed. 1. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-d...
- zaroth 9y ago
  You might want to recheck Trump’s approval ratings. Oh and the “Trump Defends White Nationalists” trope? Here’s the video [1] and here’s the quote; “You had some very bad people in the group. But you also had people, that were very fine people, on both sides.... So you know what, you’re changing history, you’re changing culture, and you had people, and I’m not talking about the neo-nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally, but you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists, okay, and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.” If you have an issue with DACA maybe talk to your congressman. Trump’s been trying to get a legal fix for DACA for months now. As far as TPS is concerned, maybe the “T” doesn’t stand for what I think it does, but 2001-2018 seems pretty generous for the Salvadorans. Unless you’re telling me those countries are still too ravaged from natural disasters over a decade ago to return to? But I’ll stand by the assertion that while we do have borders and we do enforce immigration law, we also provide entry for half a million immigrants a year. It seems like you’re claiming that because you can cite a specific special interest that isn’t being granted special citizenship outside the legal system that has existed for decades, therefore the doors are closed and that’s somehow xenophobic. I personally think that’s inaccurate and perhaps hyperbolic. While you’re entitled to your opinion, I think a large portion of the country will continue to have reasonable and open debate as to what levels of immigration is right for the country, and how we should select for those immigrants, without resorting to calling it xenophobic. [1] - https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs https://youtu.be/JmaZR8E12bs
  - omegaworks 9y ago
    >you had many people in that group other than neo-nazis and white nationalists, okay, and the press has treated them absolutely unfairly. You should recall what the rally was about, and what "that group" was trying to accomplish. That group was opposing the removal of monument to a general that fought a treasonous war against our country over the right for humans to keep other humans enslaved. Heather Heyer, an anti-racist protester, was murdered by a member of "that group" that ran her over with a car. >Trump’s been trying to get a legal fix for DACA for months now. Trump has been using these children as pawns in a ploy to close doors for legal immigrants. He does not offer fixes, the conman only offers cons. > As far as TPS is concerned, maybe the “T” doesn’t stand for what I think it does TPS was a compromise reached with a cadre of powerful xenophobes. It in no way excused or repaired the damage done to El Salvador by the civil war promulgated by the US-backed right-wing government[1]. The people that were displaced by the war and earthquake should have been granted asylum and a path to full citizenship, instead they were left in limbo and abandoned by our leaders, on both sides of the aisle. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvadoran_Civil_War