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> All news is based. The truth isn't biased, so if the news reports the truth, "x said y" and we have evidence that x said y, then it is not biased and therefo

> All news is based. The truth isn't biased, so if the news reports the truth, "x said y" and we have evidence that x said y, then it is not biased and therefore all new is NOT biased.

mejari 9y ago
That's not true at all. If I say "x said y", and don't tell you that "y said z", then that is biased, while telling you only the truth.
- state_less 9y ago
  That's called a lie by omission, so in such a case, if you wanted to tell the truth, you'd have to include "y said z" or you'd be lying.
  - mejari 9y ago
    Right, so how do you determine how much you have to say to tell the "truth"? If someone makes a claim about an economic policy, is it "lying by omission" to not talk about the impact previous similar policies have been enacted? Or is that inserting your bias? If you aren't telling people the facts behind the claims then are you telling the truth? Which facts you decide to share or not share can be biased.
astrodust 9y ago
What truth you choose to report is biased. News can be biased by selective disclosure.
ModernMech 9y ago
You still think the truth is objective after a year+ living in this alternative fact world? There is no such thing as a "truth" anymore. Even cold hard figures are negotiable. Remember "The employment rate was fake news before but it's very real now"
- state_less 9y ago
  Don't let lies get to you. Never give up, never surrender.
  - ModernMech 9y ago
    It's not that lies are getting to me, it's that I've changed my view about the all-convincing nature of facts. I never before understood how easy it is for people to just pick and choose a set of base facts to support whatever reality they want to live in.
marnett 9y ago
The choice of what facts to include and which to omit can result in bias. This simple ad by The Guardian on perspective shows how news can easily show biases [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU&list=LL8yCOjMrFJUpLP8b1IbivNg&index=31&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU&list=LL8yCOjMrFJ...

> All news is based. The truth isn't biased, so if the news reports the truth, "x said y" and we have evidence that x said y, then it is not biased and therefore all new is NOT biased.

mejari 9y ago

That's not true at all. If I say "x said y", and don't tell you that "y said z", then that is biased, while telling you only the truth.

state_less 9y ago
That's called a lie by omission, so in such a case, if you wanted to tell the truth, you'd have to include "y said z" or you'd be lying.
- mejari 9y ago
  Right, so how do you determine how much you have to say to tell the "truth"? If someone makes a claim about an economic policy, is it "lying by omission" to not talk about the impact previous similar policies have been enacted? Or is that inserting your bias? If you aren't telling people the facts behind the claims then are you telling the truth? Which facts you decide to share or not share can be biased.

astrodust 9y ago

What truth you choose to report is biased. News can be biased by selective disclosure.

ModernMech 9y ago

You still think the truth is objective after a year+ living in this alternative fact world? There is no such thing as a "truth" anymore. Even cold hard figures are negotiable. Remember "The employment rate was fake news before but it's very real now"

state_less 9y ago
Don't let lies get to you. Never give up, never surrender.
- ModernMech 9y ago
  It's not that lies are getting to me, it's that I've changed my view about the all-convincing nature of facts. I never before understood how easy it is for people to just pick and choose a set of base facts to support whatever reality they want to live in.

marnett 9y ago

The choice of what facts to include and which to omit can result in bias. This simple ad by The Guardian on perspective shows how news can easily show biases [1]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU&list=LL8yCOjMrFJUpLP8b1IbivNg&index=31&t=0s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3h-T3KQNxU&list=LL8yCOjMrFJ...